1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:02,389 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:04,170 triangle you know there's explanation 3 00:00:07,309 --> 00:00:05,370 for everything that occurred in the 4 00:00:09,410 --> 00:00:07,319 rendlesham forest incident it doesn't 5 00:00:13,190 --> 00:00:09,420 involve aliens at all it was completely 6 00:00:16,039 --> 00:00:13,200 silent it comes right over our head it's 7 00:00:17,660 --> 00:00:16,049 so a classic flying-saucer really 8 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:17,670 standing in the clearing he turned over 9 00:00:20,689 --> 00:00:19,410 to my father and held his hand and he 10 00:00:27,380 --> 00:00:20,699 looked in his eyes and said we're not 11 00:00:30,290 --> 00:00:27,390 alone welcome to Podcast UFO for our 12 00:00:32,510 --> 00:00:30,300 live show we're live every wednesday at 13 00:00:34,790 --> 00:00:32,520 eight pm eastern standard time on the 14 00:00:36,790 --> 00:00:34,800 Dark Matter radio network please 15 00:00:40,760 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00:03:05,130 we're ready to start with the news we 72 00:03:10,130 --> 00:03:07,800 got a lot going on again and how you do 73 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:10,140 in alejandro i'm doing pretty good busy 74 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:13,530 busy busy busy busy busy but doing very 75 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:16,170 well how about yourself good i got a two 76 00:03:20,630 --> 00:03:18,570 day break from the snow but came back 77 00:03:24,199 --> 00:03:20,640 with vengeance and i can barely see my 78 00:03:26,570 --> 00:03:24,209 house ooh yucky snow luckily there's 79 00:03:27,740 --> 00:03:26,580 none here if you watch the superbowl you 80 00:03:32,180 --> 00:03:27,750 saw the wonderful weather we're having 81 00:03:33,770 --> 00:03:32,190 here in Arizona yeah yeah so I know we 82 00:03:36,770 --> 00:03:33,780 got a lot to cover so let's roll right 83 00:03:38,210 --> 00:03:36,780 into it alright yeah not only is the 84 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:38,220 conference keeping me super busy but 85 00:03:42,410 --> 00:03:40,650 lots of UFO news a ton of it so of 86 00:03:44,810 --> 00:03:42,420 course a lot of people probably saw that 87 00:03:46,490 --> 00:03:44,820 John Greenwald had to take down those 88 00:03:49,460 --> 00:03:46,500 blue book files that you and I have been 89 00:03:51,380 --> 00:03:49,470 speaking about so often some people have 90 00:03:54,050 --> 00:03:51,390 claimed that junk reblogged stoled these 91 00:03:56,330 --> 00:03:54,060 files from fold three not true 92 00:03:58,070 --> 00:03:56,340 whatsoever those people many of them 93 00:03:59,960 --> 00:03:58,080 know the truth are just lying i think 94 00:04:02,449 --> 00:03:59,970 some people have a personal grudge 95 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:02,459 against John for whatever reason but 96 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:05,010 regardless what happened is most of 97 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:06,810 those files did come from a company 98 00:04:11,270 --> 00:04:09,330 called fold three and it was a third 99 00:04:13,970 --> 00:04:11,280 party who downloaded all of those files 100 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:13,980 and provided them to UFO researchers to 101 00:04:18,740 --> 00:04:15,810 post and John Greenwald was able to turn 102 00:04:21,170 --> 00:04:18,750 them into pdfs and post them but he also 103 00:04:23,510 --> 00:04:21,180 posted his personal files that he had 104 00:04:26,270 --> 00:04:23,520 received a blue book as well however 105 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:26,280 pulled three came and said due to the 106 00:04:29,450 --> 00:04:27,210 digital copy 107 00:04:32,090 --> 00:04:29,460 eight millennium act we own those and 108 00:04:33,890 --> 00:04:32,100 take them down and it's kind of like a 109 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:33,900 case of you know John Greenwald doesn't 110 00:04:41,029 --> 00:04:37,289 have the money to pay lawyers to fight 111 00:04:43,430 --> 00:04:41,039 him so he unfortunately for NAT I had to 112 00:04:45,379 --> 00:04:43,440 take those down many many people are 113 00:04:48,620 --> 00:04:45,389 disappointed that bold 3 is claiming 114 00:04:51,230 --> 00:04:48,630 digital copy right over documents that 115 00:04:53,659 --> 00:04:51,240 are open to the public and so this is 116 00:04:56,210 --> 00:04:53,669 really frustrating and I know there are 117 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:56,220 a lot of people fighting this and I have 118 00:04:59,870 --> 00:04:58,410 a feeling that we have not heard the end 119 00:05:02,499 --> 00:04:59,880 of this and I don't think fold 3 is 120 00:05:05,689 --> 00:05:02,509 going to win a long run on this one yeah 121 00:05:10,339 --> 00:05:05,699 yes I've been getting some you know- 122 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:10,349 emails about this and contact so yeah 123 00:05:14,330 --> 00:05:12,690 I'm just not even going to talk about it 124 00:05:18,290 --> 00:05:14,340 and just so we'll see what happens oh 125 00:05:20,510 --> 00:05:18,300 you see ya but let's do well let me just 126 00:05:22,339 --> 00:05:20,520 tell you something I've had a couple of 127 00:05:24,529 --> 00:05:22,349 weeks of grief because of we've been 128 00:05:27,379 --> 00:05:24,539 talking about this of yeah but you know 129 00:05:29,779 --> 00:05:27,389 what there's a lot of trollers out there 130 00:05:32,719 --> 00:05:29,789 and you know I've always felt I can't 131 00:05:34,909 --> 00:05:32,729 let these small minority of people stop 132 00:05:37,219 --> 00:05:34,919 me from bringing this information to the 133 00:05:38,930 --> 00:05:37,229 the masses and that thousands of people 134 00:05:40,939 --> 00:05:38,940 who are dying for this information and 135 00:05:44,779 --> 00:05:40,949 love it and no doubt the positive 136 00:05:46,580 --> 00:05:44,789 feedback has by far overwhelmed the 137 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:46,590 negative feedback that is out there even 138 00:05:51,050 --> 00:05:48,210 though those couple of negative people 139 00:05:53,260 --> 00:05:51,060 are very loud yes you know the one thing 140 00:05:56,209 --> 00:05:53,270 I i do say about this whole situation 141 00:05:58,219 --> 00:05:56,219 and I may have said it before is that I 142 00:06:00,290 --> 00:05:58,229 think it's just going to cause more 143 00:06:02,810 --> 00:06:00,300 people to have more awareness and I it 144 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:02,820 so I think it's you know I don't good 145 00:06:07,310 --> 00:06:04,289 better and different I think it's good 146 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:07,320 publicity yeah there's been an abundance 147 00:06:12,649 --> 00:06:10,050 of stories local newspapers running 148 00:06:15,379 --> 00:06:12,659 stories about local UFO cases from those 149 00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:15,389 files so there's a lot of education that 150 00:06:20,779 --> 00:06:18,240 has gone on yeah good stuff so what else 151 00:06:23,899 --> 00:06:20,789 is happening a lot so this is a cool 152 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:23,909 story this is about a conference a small 153 00:06:29,300 --> 00:06:25,610 gathering that's going to go on in 154 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:29,310 warminster in the UK and it's a 50th 155 00:06:34,999 --> 00:06:32,250 anniversary of a UFO called the thing 156 00:06:37,430 --> 00:06:35,009 and you know that doesn't sound like a 157 00:06:40,310 --> 00:06:37,440 such an exciting story except for when 158 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:40,320 you read the details of this story so 159 00:06:47,300 --> 00:06:43,770 it's a really interesting case that 160 00:06:49,430 --> 00:06:47,310 started in christmas day of 1964 when 161 00:06:51,740 --> 00:06:49,440 this housewife was walking to church and 162 00:06:54,230 --> 00:06:51,750 she heard these strange crackling sounds 163 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:54,240 and stuff like that in the town of four 164 00:06:59,240 --> 00:06:56,610 minster the news ran it and it turned 165 00:07:01,100 --> 00:06:59,250 out other people had heard it there were 166 00:07:03,620 --> 00:07:01,110 several witnesses that heard this thing 167 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:03,630 and there was a UFO sighting and over 168 00:07:08,510 --> 00:07:06,090 the next few months especially there 169 00:07:11,150 --> 00:07:08,520 were like hundreds and hundreds of UFO 170 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:11,160 sightings and people hearing this weird 171 00:07:18,260 --> 00:07:14,490 sound in warminster they even dubbed 172 00:07:20,690 --> 00:07:18,270 this this UFO which they believed that 173 00:07:23,630 --> 00:07:20,700 the sounds were coming from the thing 174 00:07:25,490 --> 00:07:23,640 and warminster for years that really up 175 00:07:28,270 --> 00:07:25,500 until this day has been known as a UFO 176 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:28,280 hot spot because of all of this activity 177 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:30,690 there's been several documentaries that 178 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:32,610 have been made on the whole thing and 179 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:35,730 it's a really really interesting case so 180 00:07:40,010 --> 00:07:38,610 the 50th anniversary actually started 181 00:07:41,810 --> 00:07:40,020 you know pretty much in January because 182 00:07:44,690 --> 00:07:41,820 the story's really came out in January 183 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:44,700 of 1965 but it's a really cool case that 184 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:46,530 I wanted to share with you and your 185 00:07:50,450 --> 00:07:48,930 listeners because it's worth taking a 186 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:50,460 look at and there is an interesting 187 00:07:56,330 --> 00:07:53,250 photograph that someone took of a UFO 188 00:07:59,570 --> 00:07:56,340 during this period of time yes up way 189 00:08:01,820 --> 00:07:59,580 back when I had Kevin Goodman on to talk 190 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:01,830 about this he's a great guy and don't 191 00:08:07,730 --> 00:08:05,010 bloom unfortunately now that I have the 192 00:08:11,300 --> 00:08:07,740 show and the evening it's just too late 193 00:08:14,450 --> 00:08:11,310 for me to have guests on from you know 194 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:14,460 the UK and Europe but yeah Kevin Goodman 195 00:08:19,490 --> 00:08:17,850 was a big researcher in that yeah I'll 196 00:08:21,620 --> 00:08:19,500 have to talk to him because that's right 197 00:08:23,420 --> 00:08:21,630 and I talked about him in this story 198 00:08:26,330 --> 00:08:23,430 he's the one who's putting on this 199 00:08:29,030 --> 00:08:26,340 conference actually and I would love to 200 00:08:31,460 --> 00:08:29,040 talk to him and because it is a great 201 00:08:35,620 --> 00:08:31,470 case I really like it i will sell you 202 00:08:40,730 --> 00:08:35,630 his contact information perfect good 203 00:08:43,700 --> 00:08:40,740 yeah a cheap you shyster okay another 204 00:08:45,260 --> 00:08:43,710 really cooling is I love this one we've 205 00:08:47,540 --> 00:08:45,270 talked about this before at the 206 00:08:49,940 --> 00:08:47,550 Buckingham Center for astrobiology it's 207 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:49,950 this group of astrobiologists at the 208 00:08:55,620 --> 00:08:53,170 universities of Buckingham 209 00:08:57,710 --> 00:08:55,630 Sheffield in England they also work with 210 00:08:59,910 --> 00:08:57,720 the University of Alabama and some other 211 00:09:02,550 --> 00:08:59,920 astrobiologists on this side but these 212 00:09:05,670 --> 00:09:02,560 are some scientists who believe they 213 00:09:08,639 --> 00:09:05,680 have several examples of microbial life 214 00:09:11,250 --> 00:09:08,649 essentially found in meteorites mostly 215 00:09:12,449 --> 00:09:11,260 from Mars so these guys are convinced 216 00:09:15,180 --> 00:09:12,459 they've already found extraterrestrial 217 00:09:17,990 --> 00:09:15,190 life what's interesting is one of them 218 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:18,000 the team lead has been talked to 219 00:09:24,540 --> 00:09:21,970 astrobiology magazine about this orb 220 00:09:26,009 --> 00:09:24,550 this metallic orb that they found they 221 00:09:27,930 --> 00:09:26,019 sent a balloon up into the stratosphere 222 00:09:30,930 --> 00:09:27,940 and we talked about this a couple months 223 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:30,940 ago right and this balloon opened up and 224 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:32,170 grabbed some material from the 225 00:09:36,389 --> 00:09:34,930 stratosphere and closed up and then they 226 00:09:38,340 --> 00:09:36,399 examined it and they found something 227 00:09:40,650 --> 00:09:38,350 called a dragon particle which is they 228 00:09:42,449 --> 00:09:40,660 believe is a microbe from space probably 229 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:42,459 even something that floats in space kind 230 00:09:46,319 --> 00:09:44,290 of like bacteria floating around in 231 00:09:48,180 --> 00:09:46,329 space you know there have been studies 232 00:09:51,990 --> 00:09:48,190 to show that bacteria can survive in 233 00:09:54,689 --> 00:09:52,000 space so it's possible and this is just 234 00:09:56,850 --> 00:09:54,699 one of the extra-terrestrial evidence 235 00:09:59,610 --> 00:09:56,860 that they feel they have however the 236 00:10:02,850 --> 00:09:59,620 balloon when they examined it had a 237 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:02,860 little metallic orb the size of a hair 238 00:10:10,790 --> 00:10:05,529 that day that made an impact that they 239 00:10:14,130 --> 00:10:10,800 believed was from space as well it has 240 00:10:17,310 --> 00:10:14,140 biological filament on the outside of it 241 00:10:20,819 --> 00:10:17,320 and on the inside they say it it has a 242 00:10:22,620 --> 00:10:20,829 gooey biological material that is oozing 243 00:10:26,310 --> 00:10:22,630 out of it and you can see this 244 00:10:28,050 --> 00:10:26,320 microscope picture that I've put up 245 00:10:30,810 --> 00:10:28,060 there and you can see this oozing 246 00:10:32,850 --> 00:10:30,820 material coming out of it and they feel 247 00:10:36,569 --> 00:10:32,860 that not only is this further evidence 248 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:36,579 of life from space but they also feel 249 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:39,610 that this orb could have been something 250 00:10:45,750 --> 00:10:42,730 called direct panspermia so pants Berg 251 00:10:47,939 --> 00:10:45,760 is something this group kind of one of 252 00:10:49,829 --> 00:10:47,949 the scientists of this group coined the 253 00:10:51,509 --> 00:10:49,839 phrase which is the idea that life is 254 00:10:53,579 --> 00:10:51,519 abundant and it travels on meteorites 255 00:10:55,379 --> 00:10:53,589 and comets and kind of rains down on the 256 00:10:57,900 --> 00:10:55,389 planet and that's how life came here 257 00:11:01,980 --> 00:10:57,910 from elsewhere but directed panspermia 258 00:11:04,290 --> 00:11:01,990 is ek civilizations directly seeding 259 00:11:07,060 --> 00:11:04,300 life on other planets kind of like the 260 00:11:08,650 --> 00:11:07,070 movie Prometheus so they're saying this 261 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:08,660 could have been sent here to seed life 262 00:11:12,820 --> 00:11:10,370 where viruses or something like that 263 00:11:14,830 --> 00:11:12,830 they admit it would be difficult if not 264 00:11:16,900 --> 00:11:14,840 impossible to prove it but it is a 265 00:11:19,780 --> 00:11:16,910 theory that they're putting out there 266 00:11:22,110 --> 00:11:19,790 but here again this group's believes 267 00:11:25,420 --> 00:11:22,120 they found even more evidence of 268 00:11:28,390 --> 00:11:25,430 extraterrestrial life amazing I you know 269 00:11:30,850 --> 00:11:28,400 just like jason said this is going to be 270 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:30,860 the year i really i really think it is 271 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:34,370 yeah it may be the year and you know 272 00:11:40,060 --> 00:11:37,970 what's cool about this too is that even 273 00:11:41,860 --> 00:11:40,070 though they're kind of considered they 274 00:11:45,130 --> 00:11:41,870 are legitimate scientist but they are 275 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:45,140 considered a little fringe however NASA 276 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:48,170 is repeating their study NASA is going 277 00:11:52,780 --> 00:11:49,970 to also send a balloon into the 278 00:11:55,210 --> 00:11:52,790 stratosphere to see if it can get 279 00:11:58,780 --> 00:11:55,220 microbes as well well that's real 280 00:12:01,300 --> 00:11:58,790 exciting news mm-hmm now do we have 281 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:01,310 another story was that is that it no 282 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:03,890 that's not it buddy speaking of exciting 283 00:12:08,740 --> 00:12:06,890 news there's more now that these are 284 00:12:11,260 --> 00:12:08,750 both Roswell stories this first one is 285 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:11,270 not as exciting this is really regarding 286 00:12:16,870 --> 00:12:14,210 a video that a Australian New Zealand 287 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:16,880 magazine called uncensored has released 288 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:19,490 that they say is they're the first ones 289 00:12:23,470 --> 00:12:21,530 to have this and they've been able to 290 00:12:25,660 --> 00:12:23,480 prove that this video shows a Roswell 291 00:12:29,020 --> 00:12:25,670 alien being collected by the airport 292 00:12:31,300 --> 00:12:29,030 yeah well it's not a new video it's 293 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:31,310 actually been around for many many years 294 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:35,170 it's part of the Roswell dissection 295 00:12:42,010 --> 00:12:39,050 autopsy alien video that was out in the 296 00:12:44,530 --> 00:12:42,020 mid 90s that has since been debunked 297 00:12:46,330 --> 00:12:44,540 where the guy race until he says oh yeah 298 00:12:49,660 --> 00:12:46,340 well that isn't real but I did see a 299 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:49,670 real video and i made this to look like 300 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:53,330 the real video it also this clip in 301 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:54,770 particular which is you know the best 302 00:12:58,750 --> 00:12:56,810 produce clip because there's more actors 303 00:13:00,460 --> 00:12:58,760 kind of running around and and it is a 304 00:13:03,070 --> 00:13:00,470 very well produced little clip that 305 00:13:06,940 --> 00:13:03,080 looks legitimate it was actually also 306 00:13:09,780 --> 00:13:06,950 part of a movie called alien autopsy 307 00:13:12,730 --> 00:13:09,790 where these committee comedians kind of 308 00:13:14,350 --> 00:13:12,740 did a movie that kind of mirrored what 309 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:14,360 really happened there and what would you 310 00:13:18,620 --> 00:13:17,450 do if you had real alien video kind of 311 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:18,630 thing 312 00:13:23,030 --> 00:13:20,610 but this so this is just a rehash of 313 00:13:24,980 --> 00:13:23,040 some old stuff these guys for some 314 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:24,990 reason I guess just for marketing 315 00:13:28,790 --> 00:13:27,210 purposes are saying that it's the first 316 00:13:30,530 --> 00:13:28,800 time it's been out there maybe they 317 00:13:32,180 --> 00:13:30,540 don't know maybe they were told that by 318 00:13:33,380 --> 00:13:32,190 whoever gave it to him but with a little 319 00:13:35,710 --> 00:13:33,390 bit of research they could have found 320 00:13:39,590 --> 00:13:35,720 that this video has been out for a while 321 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:39,600 however no evidence of Roswell aliens 322 00:13:44,630 --> 00:13:42,810 and photographs of Roswell aliens was 323 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:44,640 promised to be released by a man named 324 00:13:51,620 --> 00:13:48,330 Tom Carey who in November told American 325 00:13:53,900 --> 00:13:51,630 University in a panel you know with 326 00:13:57,620 --> 00:13:53,910 Leslie Kane and some other UFO 327 00:14:01,250 --> 00:13:57,630 researchers that that he had the smoking 328 00:14:04,130 --> 00:14:01,260 gun he had photos of an alien but he 329 00:14:06,290 --> 00:14:04,140 couldn't show him yet well he has 330 00:14:08,540 --> 00:14:06,300 coupled up with you know his research 331 00:14:10,130 --> 00:14:08,550 partners Don Schmidt but he has 332 00:14:12,980 --> 00:14:10,140 partnered up they have partnered up with 333 00:14:15,290 --> 00:14:12,990 Jaime moose on and Jaime moose on 334 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:15,300 announced today in an online press 335 00:14:20,180 --> 00:14:18,330 conference that may fifth at the 336 00:14:22,070 --> 00:14:20,190 National auditorium in Mexico City 337 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:22,080 they're going to release these pictures 338 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:24,810 and show them to the world and they told 339 00:14:29,210 --> 00:14:26,730 us a lot they showed a lot of pictures 340 00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:29,220 in some videos that they posted on 341 00:14:33,020 --> 00:14:31,380 youtube today as part of this press 342 00:14:35,380 --> 00:14:33,030 conference and gave a lot more 343 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:35,390 information about these photographs 344 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:39,050 essentially there was a woman who was 345 00:14:45,530 --> 00:14:42,090 cleaning up a home of this deceased 346 00:14:47,150 --> 00:14:45,540 couple and she found a box of 347 00:14:50,090 --> 00:14:47,160 photographs and they were preparing a 348 00:14:51,410 --> 00:14:50,100 for an estate sale they these were part 349 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:51,420 of the things they wanted her to throw 350 00:14:56,270 --> 00:14:53,970 away but she decided to keep him this is 351 00:14:58,580 --> 00:14:56,280 the nineteen eighty nine ten years later 352 00:15:00,470 --> 00:14:58,590 she picks up the box and she looks and 353 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:00,480 she sees pictures at Dwight Eisenhower 354 00:15:05,540 --> 00:15:03,510 Clark Gable's some famous people and she 355 00:15:08,570 --> 00:15:05,550 thinks wow these are really cool well 356 00:15:11,030 --> 00:15:08,580 the bottom of the boxes you know damaged 357 00:15:12,530 --> 00:15:11,040 by water it starts to fall apart she 358 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:12,540 sees that there are some slides that are 359 00:15:17,510 --> 00:15:14,880 wrapped up carefully opens him up and 360 00:15:20,570 --> 00:15:17,520 there's two slides there that looked 361 00:15:22,670 --> 00:15:20,580 like an alien a friend of the family 362 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:22,680 said he saw them and he said yeah that 363 00:15:27,350 --> 00:15:25,530 she you know if you look at them most 364 00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:27,360 people say hey hey those are aliens 365 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:28,800 because they look like what we think 366 00:15:34,820 --> 00:15:32,130 aliens look like missing sigh sect it's 367 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:34,830 is off of itself but there's been some 368 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:36,690 analysis to show these pictures do come 369 00:15:44,540 --> 00:15:41,250 from 1947 or around there the sleeve 370 00:15:46,940 --> 00:15:44,550 comes from the time period so they 371 00:15:50,300 --> 00:15:46,950 believe these pictures legitimately were 372 00:15:52,130 --> 00:15:50,310 from that period of time and that's 373 00:15:54,100 --> 00:15:52,140 about really as far as we get with 374 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:54,110 analysis so they believe them to be 375 00:15:59,000 --> 00:15:57,570 legitimate real aliens and they're 376 00:16:01,490 --> 00:15:59,010 saying they're thinking cuz it's from 377 00:16:03,620 --> 00:16:01,500 1947 these got to be the Roswell aliens 378 00:16:06,980 --> 00:16:03,630 I guess it looks like this thing's 379 00:16:09,980 --> 00:16:06,990 laying on an army cot or an army blanket 380 00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:09,990 but yeah so this pictures will be shown 381 00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:12,480 in May and in my story that I'm still 382 00:16:16,940 --> 00:16:13,920 preparing but we'll have posted 383 00:16:20,810 --> 00:16:16,950 hopefully at you know by the time people 384 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:20,820 click on the link on your page there's 385 00:16:27,610 --> 00:16:24,660 even pictures of kind of a an animation 386 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:27,620 of what the alien would have looked like 387 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:31,410 Wow yes please do make sure you send 388 00:16:36,590 --> 00:16:32,730 that link after you get the story done 389 00:16:38,270 --> 00:16:36,600 will do so do you want to hear about 390 00:16:40,490 --> 00:16:38,280 another story I'm working on by the time 391 00:16:42,380 --> 00:16:40,500 news is still quicker this time next 392 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:42,390 week comes around it'll be old news all 393 00:16:46,970 --> 00:16:44,610 right sure but yeah I'm just working on 394 00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:46,980 this other video that Steven Greer has 395 00:16:53,540 --> 00:16:50,310 released from C SETI he charges people 396 00:16:55,130 --> 00:16:53,550 25 hundred dollars to go out and he 397 00:16:57,980 --> 00:16:55,140 teaches people how to communicate with 398 00:17:00,520 --> 00:16:57,990 aliens and to call in UFOs they've got a 399 00:17:02,510 --> 00:17:00,530 photograph of what they say is an alien 400 00:17:04,220 --> 00:17:02,520 unfortunately really this thing's looks 401 00:17:07,010 --> 00:17:04,230 like a blob to me I don't see it 402 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:07,020 whatsoever but they feel that they were 403 00:17:10,579 --> 00:17:09,329 visited by an alien that you know nobody 404 00:17:13,069 --> 00:17:10,589 saw it with their eyes but it was 405 00:17:15,350 --> 00:17:13,079 captured on a camera but this recent 406 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:15,360 video he just posted like yesterday or 407 00:17:20,179 --> 00:17:17,730 the day before shows he's two bright 408 00:17:24,439 --> 00:17:20,189 objects out over the ocean and they're 409 00:17:26,809 --> 00:17:24,449 at Vero Beach in Florida well just for 410 00:17:28,189 --> 00:17:26,819 people I mean I've heard from someone 411 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:28,199 else who's a witness who said he saw 412 00:17:34,670 --> 00:17:31,530 some flying discs but to me they looked 413 00:17:38,540 --> 00:17:34,680 like flares because they they appear and 414 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:38,550 then they fall slowly even to the right 415 00:17:43,670 --> 00:17:40,410 and then they fade out which is exactly 416 00:17:45,529 --> 00:17:43,680 what a flare would do so far the experts 417 00:17:48,379 --> 00:17:45,539 I have spoken with have 418 00:17:49,820 --> 00:17:48,389 agreed with that they've independently I 419 00:17:51,950 --> 00:17:49,830 didn't tell him what I thought it was I 420 00:17:53,930 --> 00:17:51,960 was just like what do you guys think and 421 00:17:55,879 --> 00:17:53,940 Mark Dantonio in particular pointed out 422 00:17:59,450 --> 00:17:55,889 some some good things to show that you 423 00:18:01,759 --> 00:17:59,460 know definitely flares so that's what it 424 00:18:06,009 --> 00:18:01,769 appears to be so when your readers 425 00:18:08,210 --> 00:18:06,019 listeners see those videos they can 426 00:18:10,340 --> 00:18:08,220 determine for themselves but at least 427 00:18:13,580 --> 00:18:10,350 thus far from the experts that's what 428 00:18:16,909 --> 00:18:13,590 I'm hearing well I wonder if it I wonder 429 00:18:18,889 --> 00:18:16,919 if Stephen put the little a Tacoma baby 430 00:18:21,529 --> 00:18:18,899 you know in a little parachute and one 431 00:18:23,719 --> 00:18:21,539 of the flares yeah he was so excited 432 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:23,729 that and blew it up yeah he might have 433 00:18:29,210 --> 00:18:26,129 done that yeah oh my gosh I didn't even 434 00:18:32,810 --> 00:18:29,220 think of that Hey well that's it finally 435 00:18:35,180 --> 00:18:32,820 right that is finally it my friend a lot 436 00:18:36,889 --> 00:18:35,190 of news and luckily for you I'm busy 437 00:18:39,109 --> 00:18:36,899 with the conference you're getting a lot 438 00:18:41,779 --> 00:18:39,119 of the news even before we have it 439 00:18:43,219 --> 00:18:41,789 posted well great so make sure you send 440 00:18:46,430 --> 00:18:43,229 those links and the listeners out there 441 00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,440 you can check out podcast UFO calm and 442 00:18:51,289 --> 00:18:48,720 the show notes and links to all those 443 00:18:52,909 --> 00:18:51,299 stories and videos and all that so thank 444 00:18:55,519 --> 00:18:52,919 you very much Alejandro and we'll be 445 00:18:57,950 --> 00:18:55,529 talking to you next week my pleasure 446 00:18:59,570 --> 00:18:57,960 thank you talk to you soon all right so 447 00:19:01,430 --> 00:18:59,580 stay tuned we have a little music break 448 00:20:05,549 --> 00:19:01,440 and then we're coming back with Jesse 449 00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:09,130 welcome to the show Jessie hello are you 450 00:20:14,620 --> 00:20:11,840 doing today I'm doing good thanks so 451 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:14,630 much for uh for offering via guess we 452 00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:16,490 have a couple things to talk about here 453 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:18,799 tonight first of all I want to say to 454 00:20:22,780 --> 00:20:20,690 the live listener if you're listening 455 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:22,790 live please jump over to the chat room 456 00:20:29,500 --> 00:20:26,090 and join in that's at podcast UFO calm 457 00:20:31,180 --> 00:20:29,510 and it's just two clicks to get in Jesse 458 00:20:33,310 --> 00:20:31,190 we're going to be talking about your 459 00:20:36,370 --> 00:20:33,320 your new venture which is I think really 460 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:36,380 exciting I don't know a lot about flying 461 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:38,450 cars but I've always been intrigued by 462 00:20:45,010 --> 00:20:41,450 them and I remember watching videos back 463 00:20:46,930 --> 00:20:45,020 in the wanna say this 70s or 60s but 464 00:20:49,030 --> 00:20:46,940 anyway the second hour we're going to be 465 00:20:51,970 --> 00:20:49,040 talking about Roswell your family 466 00:20:55,570 --> 00:20:51,980 connection stuff like that sure so for 467 00:20:57,789 --> 00:20:55,580 someone who has not heard you before can 468 00:21:01,060 --> 00:20:57,799 you just give a real you know short in 469 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:01,070 the nutshell type of explanation of who 470 00:21:06,010 --> 00:21:03,110 you are your family connection and then 471 00:21:08,500 --> 00:21:06,020 we'll get into your car okay happy to 472 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:08,510 well I key said my name is Jesse Marcel 473 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:11,210 actually Jesse Marcel third I am the 474 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:14,570 grandson of major Marcel who was one of 475 00:21:20,620 --> 00:21:16,970 the lead investigators into the roswell 476 00:21:23,020 --> 00:21:20,630 incident of grew up in Montana or with 477 00:21:25,690 --> 00:21:23,030 my father dr. Marcel who also was part 478 00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:25,700 of the story of course and spent summers 479 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:28,070 in Louisiana some earlier days that 480 00:21:36,180 --> 00:21:31,330 grandpa's house in Houma Louisiana and 481 00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:36,190 it was through this adventure and the 482 00:21:41,620 --> 00:21:38,809 communications we I learned about 483 00:21:43,390 --> 00:21:41,630 Roswell and was kind of one of the 484 00:21:46,900 --> 00:21:43,400 people that the story was handed down to 485 00:21:51,130 --> 00:21:46,910 go right in a nutshell that that was 486 00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:51,140 really good grief yeah yeah and we had 487 00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:53,510 you on the show a while back and yes and 488 00:21:58,780 --> 00:21:56,000 it was really nice talking and you know 489 00:22:02,020 --> 00:21:58,790 we lost your father last year i should 490 00:22:04,299 --> 00:22:02,030 say hello there yeah so happy we really 491 00:22:07,930 --> 00:22:04,309 miss him yah daett you do he seemed like 492 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:07,940 such a an awesome man really yeah you 493 00:22:11,770 --> 00:22:09,530 know he was one of those people that I 494 00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:11,780 you know it he added a lot of 495 00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,400 credibility to the UF ology and the 496 00:22:21,070 --> 00:22:18,320 this study in the stories behind Roswell 497 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:21,080 he was a medical doctor colonel in the 498 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:25,010 military and you know his story of his 499 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:27,890 experience was never varied from what he 500 00:22:33,820 --> 00:22:31,970 saw as a child was a child and and you 501 00:22:36,510 --> 00:22:33,830 culminate that into a like I said a 502 00:22:40,570 --> 00:22:36,520 medical doctor physician who is an avid 503 00:22:43,180 --> 00:22:40,580 astronomer and physicist also and anyway 504 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:43,190 yes I was a kind of background yeah yeah 505 00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:46,310 now let's talk about your brainchild 506 00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:50,510 here is it your idea this airborne 507 00:22:59,410 --> 00:22:56,240 motors yeah it's it's a truck driver out 508 00:23:00,910 --> 00:22:59,420 too long as a child my dad would bring 509 00:23:02,530 --> 00:23:00,920 in me and my brother over to summer 510 00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:02,540 called the halter laboratories they were 511 00:23:06,910 --> 00:23:04,160 located in Helena Montana where we grew 512 00:23:08,620 --> 00:23:06,920 up this gentlemen Norman halter he 513 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:08,630 invented the holter monitor that kind of 514 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:10,730 thing and happy to be here Jeff holders 515 00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,290 gives me was a good friend of the 516 00:23:16,780 --> 00:23:14,000 family's and he had in his laboratory 517 00:23:18,430 --> 00:23:16,790 had it was like four floors one was 518 00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:18,440 nothing but physics one was chemistry 519 00:23:24,220 --> 00:23:21,110 one was biology and one was just kind of 520 00:23:27,670 --> 00:23:24,230 crazy everything put together so I grew 521 00:23:30,580 --> 00:23:27,680 up in this atmosphere of you know 522 00:23:33,550 --> 00:23:30,590 basically studying testing physics all 523 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:33,560 that kind of thing and my dad really 524 00:23:40,330 --> 00:23:36,410 ingrained with us as kids that it was 525 00:23:41,950 --> 00:23:40,340 important for us to grasp the ideas out 526 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:41,960 there you know to come to our 527 00:23:46,780 --> 00:23:44,530 conclusions do our own testing etc for 528 00:23:49,090 --> 00:23:46,790 different ideas that we might have and 529 00:23:52,060 --> 00:23:49,100 we had the luxury of that laboratory as 530 00:23:53,980 --> 00:23:52,070 a small example I think on the top floor 531 00:23:57,370 --> 00:23:53,990 he had jars and jars of different 532 00:24:00,430 --> 00:23:57,380 chemicals and one of those was basically 533 00:24:01,870 --> 00:24:00,440 powdered zinc and sulfur and you mix 534 00:24:03,970 --> 00:24:01,880 them together in the right combination 535 00:24:05,650 --> 00:24:03,980 you makes a great rocket fuel so that's 536 00:24:07,030 --> 00:24:05,660 is what we see and my brother started 537 00:24:08,770 --> 00:24:07,040 doing is making the rocket fuels and we 538 00:24:10,810 --> 00:24:08,780 were kids and you know causing trouble 539 00:24:15,670 --> 00:24:10,820 with a little few fires in the garage 540 00:24:17,890 --> 00:24:15,680 that kind of thing anyway going going to 541 00:24:19,630 --> 00:24:17,900 Ethel now in the last few years I just 542 00:24:23,890 --> 00:24:19,640 eat other there's some ideas out there 543 00:24:25,660 --> 00:24:23,900 for flying cars the the real name or the 544 00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:25,670 the true name or more proper name would 545 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:27,710 be a personal air vehicle I was actually 546 00:24:32,260 --> 00:24:29,130 created by NASA that 547 00:24:36,140 --> 00:24:32,270 terminology anyway in the last 20 years 548 00:24:38,180 --> 00:24:36,150 and what's out there is uh you know more 549 00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:38,190 like go airplanes with folding wings can 550 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:40,740 be driven on the highway helicopters on 551 00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:42,570 wheels there are a couple of other 552 00:24:46,340 --> 00:24:44,580 attempts out there than going on for 553 00:24:47,810 --> 00:24:46,350 decades really to try to create some 554 00:24:50,150 --> 00:24:47,820 kind of a stable vehicle and they just 555 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:50,160 haven't had that much luck with it but I 556 00:24:56,540 --> 00:24:52,650 came up with this new concept and that's 557 00:25:00,730 --> 00:24:56,550 where it's based on a gyroscope it's a 558 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:00,740 flying car that has a hybrid rotor that 559 00:25:06,830 --> 00:25:04,770 create stability creates thrust the the 560 00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:06,840 body of the vehicle actually creates a 561 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:09,240 magnetic field around the rotor that 562 00:25:14,810 --> 00:25:11,850 creates the nozzle that rotor to spin 563 00:25:16,790 --> 00:25:14,820 basically other than that if you take 564 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:16,800 that component out of it it's a like a 565 00:25:22,810 --> 00:25:20,490 giant quadcopter so you put those two 566 00:25:26,510 --> 00:25:22,820 elements together and that's what it is 567 00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:26,520 by all the you know I've been working on 568 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:28,140 it for a while now we've we have 3d 569 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:30,690 printed modal models got it a prototype 570 00:25:35,210 --> 00:25:33,450 in the computer systems to keep it 571 00:25:36,980 --> 00:25:35,220 stable that kind of thing so that's this 572 00:25:39,050 --> 00:25:36,990 kind of works out right now now isn't 573 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:39,060 there it seems to me I watched a 574 00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:41,130 documentary I don't know maybe a year or 575 00:25:46,430 --> 00:25:43,620 two ago but a guy that has something 576 00:25:48,890 --> 00:25:46,440 with rotary engines separate four 577 00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:48,900 separate rotary engine oh yeah I with 578 00:25:54,050 --> 00:25:51,000 that yeah very familiar it's been around 579 00:25:56,330 --> 00:25:54,060 for like 30 something years and it 580 00:25:58,460 --> 00:25:56,340 they've you know I don't want to talk 581 00:25:59,660 --> 00:25:58,470 out of out of character optics I'm not 582 00:26:00,860 --> 00:25:59,670 familiar with a project other than what 583 00:26:02,150 --> 00:26:00,870 i've read on the internet and i've 584 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:02,160 looked at the patents for that kind of 585 00:26:06,890 --> 00:26:05,130 thing to see how it operated it's it's 586 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:06,900 actually fairly simple it's based on 587 00:26:11,030 --> 00:26:08,370 technology that's been around for 588 00:26:13,910 --> 00:26:11,040 decades and i think they're trying to 589 00:26:15,170 --> 00:26:13,920 evolve it and make it more of a computer 590 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:15,180 some some kind of computer system to 591 00:26:20,780 --> 00:26:18,330 control the thrust vectoring of those 20 592 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:20,790 of the turbines to try to make it stable 593 00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:23,610 uh-huh and in the difference with yours 594 00:26:30,170 --> 00:26:26,910 is you have the centrifugal wheel 595 00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:30,180 basically I mean the gyroscope right 596 00:26:34,670 --> 00:26:32,580 it's it's it's a hybridization of 597 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:34,680 technologies that create a stable 598 00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:37,770 aircraft or a personal our vehicle so it 599 00:26:42,140 --> 00:26:40,140 is different that by using the 600 00:26:42,890 --> 00:26:42,150 technology that I have applied to this 601 00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:42,900 I'm not 602 00:26:46,820 --> 00:26:44,100 means the inventor of this technology 603 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:46,830 i'm just applying it to this car it 604 00:26:51,130 --> 00:26:48,690 creates something that's very compact 605 00:26:54,890 --> 00:26:51,140 they can fly they can fit your garage 606 00:26:57,860 --> 00:26:54,900 very easy to fly I always go into the 607 00:26:59,690 --> 00:26:57,870 numbers 80 it it could if they basically 608 00:27:01,610 --> 00:26:59,700 could be autonomously controlled you 609 00:27:03,290 --> 00:27:01,620 know from no different in a quad Capri 610 00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:03,300 control from iphone if it's you know a 611 00:27:08,210 --> 00:27:06,720 drone so to speak I'm extremely stable 612 00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:08,220 if you were to fly it yourself and it 613 00:27:10,850 --> 00:27:09,360 was to get out of control you just let 614 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:10,860 go to ball the controls and it would 615 00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:12,510 immediately right itself into ahead of 616 00:27:19,310 --> 00:27:16,020 us solid hover so the whole idea behind 617 00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,320 it is creating the most stable you know 618 00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:21,840 stable vehicle possible that's easy to 619 00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:24,840 fly easy to drive it uses a steering 620 00:27:29,540 --> 00:27:26,580 wheel and pedals it drives just like a 621 00:27:31,370 --> 00:27:29,550 rare car yeah let's step okay how do you 622 00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:31,380 have your pilot's license are you to fly 623 00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:35,340 no I do not uh-huh so this is just 624 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:38,400 something you have an interest in 625 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:41,130 somehow or how did your father flew 626 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:44,610 right he was a helicopter pilot ah he 627 00:27:50,090 --> 00:27:47,250 didn't fly fixed wings but he was a part 628 00:27:52,460 --> 00:27:50,100 of an attack battalion although some of 629 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:52,470 the some of the processes that we are 630 00:27:57,710 --> 00:27:55,050 using the helicopters used in this but 631 00:27:59,570 --> 00:27:57,720 Mike I used to be a wildland firefighter 632 00:28:01,460 --> 00:27:59,580 and I was part of a hell attack team red 633 00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:01,470 likes the closest I've ever been is 634 00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,380 writing and Huey helicopters to go to 635 00:28:08,780 --> 00:28:06,720 the the Front's of different fires 636 00:28:11,710 --> 00:28:08,790 forest fires that kind of thing but I 637 00:28:14,030 --> 00:28:11,720 was an average RC modeler mm-hm and 638 00:28:15,620 --> 00:28:14,040 really became interested in it when the 639 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:15,630 when we had electric motors and 640 00:28:18,550 --> 00:28:16,770 batteries capable of you know 641 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:18,560 lightweight lithium-ion kind of things 642 00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,210 capable of powering these things and the 643 00:28:25,820 --> 00:28:23,520 same thing about this the typhoon i 644 00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:25,830 called it is it's complete wreck it's 645 00:28:31,070 --> 00:28:28,440 just we just had a question up in the in 646 00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:31,080 the chat room asking that if you yeah so 647 00:28:34,940 --> 00:28:32,910 it's an electric complete electric 648 00:28:37,970 --> 00:28:34,950 there's there's some very large 649 00:28:40,580 --> 00:28:37,980 advantages to being electric one is that 650 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:40,590 your you create a hundred percent of the 651 00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:43,050 torque available to you the instant the 652 00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:46,260 motor starts turning so you can have a 653 00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:49,110 design of a rotor but to make it as 654 00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:50,880 obviously we want to make it so it 655 00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:52,140 actually fly in and out of your garage 656 00:28:55,820 --> 00:28:53,910 you know you're pulling a driver I take 657 00:28:56,690 --> 00:28:55,830 off need to be it needs to be as quiet 658 00:28:59,100 --> 00:28:56,700 as possible 659 00:29:00,960 --> 00:28:59,110 you can't have something it's going to 660 00:29:04,020 --> 00:29:00,970 be sound like a jet taking off in your 661 00:29:05,730 --> 00:29:04,030 neighborhood you can create an immense 662 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:05,740 amount of torque instantly through 663 00:29:10,980 --> 00:29:07,809 electric motor the way it is right now 664 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:10,990 you can buy it by having us basically a 665 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:14,170 rotor that has steep enough did the 666 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:16,450 actual fins inside of it create the 667 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:18,010 thrust it doesn't have a spin as fast 668 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:19,930 it's like propeller wood to create the 669 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:22,330 same thrust so you can you can power you 670 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:23,650 can you can turn something that's going 671 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:25,090 to take a lot of force because it's 672 00:29:28,290 --> 00:29:26,530 because of a sheer size about 10 feet in 673 00:29:30,260 --> 00:29:28,300 diameter but the way the but with a 674 00:29:33,180 --> 00:29:30,270 torque electricity does it well and 675 00:29:35,310 --> 00:29:33,190 another opponent component of being 676 00:29:36,810 --> 00:29:35,320 electric is that it's fully manageable 677 00:29:39,180 --> 00:29:36,820 you can you can raise and lower the 678 00:29:40,940 --> 00:29:39,190 revolutions per minute the RPMs of the 679 00:29:42,810 --> 00:29:40,950 road or very easily and very 680 00:29:45,630 --> 00:29:42,820 incrementally you know you can you know 681 00:29:47,549 --> 00:29:45,640 by the in series of you know 10 rpms 682 00:29:48,930 --> 00:29:47,559 2030 a thousand thousand ten thousand 683 00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,940 twenty that kind of thing but when 684 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:50,559 you're talking about a gas-powered 685 00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:53,730 turban it's not going to be as nearly 686 00:29:58,740 --> 00:29:56,200 controllable you know when you raise and 687 00:30:00,510 --> 00:29:58,750 lower the rpms and a gas motor you don't 688 00:30:02,730 --> 00:30:00,520 have the kind of flexibility you don't 689 00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:02,740 have the kind of control you would with 690 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:05,980 an electric motor right hi I know of an 691 00:30:12,419 --> 00:30:08,610 investor you ought to get the word to 692 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:12,429 how about you on musk yeah it's at ya 693 00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:15,250 with a Tesla XP SpaceX and that kind of 694 00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:17,590 thing you're not the first person to say 695 00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:21,070 that I have a business partner who we do 696 00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:23,110 movies with and he just bought the 697 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:24,640 latest Tesla D and that kind of thing 698 00:30:29,610 --> 00:30:26,530 and he's a huge Elon Musk fan and that 699 00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:29,620 is that that's a possibility right and 700 00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,030 we're we're in the middle of when we 701 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:33,520 talked a couple weeks ago I was in the 702 00:30:36,930 --> 00:30:34,570 middle of doing an IndieGoGo campaign 703 00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,940 you know putting together and massaging 704 00:30:42,210 --> 00:30:38,559 it ready to go out there and sing about 705 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:42,220 doing a bit of crowdfunding and just 706 00:30:47,790 --> 00:30:44,530 basically to get it from the the 707 00:30:51,390 --> 00:30:47,800 prototype stage into something could be 708 00:30:55,049 --> 00:30:51,400 tested man pilot kind of thing and in 709 00:30:58,169 --> 00:30:55,059 the thrust of that I have some friends 710 00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:58,179 who are they do extreme television for I 711 00:31:02,130 --> 00:30:59,679 want to mention the name but one of the 712 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:02,140 larger you know power drink companies 713 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:05,710 and in this meeting they're talking 714 00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:09,810 about the latest series 715 00:31:15,020 --> 00:31:12,840 they like to produce with them late 716 00:31:17,860 --> 00:31:15,030 involves everything from airplanes to 717 00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:17,870 race car get that kind of thing and 718 00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:20,310 somewhere in there I'd sent them over a 719 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:21,960 little one she the one page dad or she 720 00:31:27,530 --> 00:31:24,690 was a couple of photos on it and the VP 721 00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:27,540 grabbed it looked at it ended the 722 00:31:31,910 --> 00:31:29,520 meeting and now wants to present to the 723 00:31:33,860 --> 00:31:31,920 president of the company because they've 724 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:33,870 been looking at this and this just that 725 00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,970 what I would have created is exactly 726 00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,440 what they're looking for so it's kind of 727 00:31:40,550 --> 00:31:39,120 put a kind of an interesting main 728 00:31:43,130 --> 00:31:40,560 interesting position they'd be great if 729 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:43,140 they want to come along and back it so 730 00:31:46,820 --> 00:31:44,370 we're kind of waiting to see how that 731 00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,830 goes I think I know the company in the 732 00:31:51,050 --> 00:31:48,240 re they have a bunch of helicopters 733 00:31:52,670 --> 00:31:51,060 themselves yes they have all the high 734 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:52,680 technology they're there they they're 735 00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:55,290 very much into any with a all day all 736 00:32:00,380 --> 00:31:57,960 the extreme stuff yeah but it's an 737 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:00,390 exciting onboarding and everything up 738 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:03,810 you they went literally from you know 739 00:32:07,580 --> 00:32:05,850 it's a very large company you have all 740 00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,590 these layers need to go through and he's 741 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:09,600 willing to bypass everything and jump 742 00:32:14,570 --> 00:32:11,970 right to the president man so it's so 743 00:32:16,850 --> 00:32:14,580 and then yeah so it's good i'm i'm 744 00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:16,860 actually i pulled back i'm not quite 745 00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:18,030 sure if i'm gonna do the indiegogo 746 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:19,980 campaign but i think i'm gonna go out I 747 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:21,810 you know in the middle of a sum in the 748 00:32:27,650 --> 00:32:25,410 paper do paperwork to do basically a 749 00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:27,660 small private offering so i think i'm 750 00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:29,700 going to start there and if this other 751 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:31,620 company comes along then great that'll 752 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:33,570 that'll that'll knock that you know 753 00:32:37,460 --> 00:32:36,330 obviously a getting funds for this kind 754 00:32:39,050 --> 00:32:37,470 of thing is one of the difficult early 755 00:32:41,330 --> 00:32:39,060 stage you know early stages you go 756 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:41,340 through so i would resolve that but at 757 00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:43,770 this point it's full steam ahead so wow 758 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:45,870 exciting now the one thing that I 759 00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:47,130 thought of when you're talking about 760 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:49,740 electric it seems to me that the weight 761 00:32:56,060 --> 00:32:53,970 of the batteries would be detrimental to 762 00:32:58,820 --> 00:32:56,070 this is that they might not thinking 763 00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,830 correctly you are thinking correctly now 764 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:00,960 if you look at the I think if you have 765 00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:03,930 that photo i sent you it's basic i call 766 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:06,120 the typhoon f1's not to trickiest types 767 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:08,010 have stands for freedom one stands for 768 00:33:14,540 --> 00:33:11,930 one passenger the rotor itself is its 769 00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:14,550 fear it's the large electric motor very 770 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:18,120 large 10 feet in diameter it's possible 771 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:20,130 to put it for that rotor to actually 772 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:22,410 with with the the magnetic fields are 773 00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:23,370 created within the 774 00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:26,280 the actual craft itself and within the 775 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:28,710 magnetic rotor itself in crepe between 776 00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:30,770 three and four thousand horsepower and 777 00:33:36,020 --> 00:33:34,140 with that you can create an immense the 778 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:36,030 thrust would be this recipe no problem 779 00:33:39,140 --> 00:33:38,130 even if the batteries weighed thirty 780 00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:39,150 five to forty percent of the entire 781 00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:42,240 vehicle with the occupant now you don't 782 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:43,710 want to create a vehicle it has to 783 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:45,650 create that much stress for liftoff so 784 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:48,930 it's your kind of in a quandary it's 785 00:33:52,790 --> 00:33:50,970 like okay the longer the flight time the 786 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:52,800 more batteries you have so is it better 787 00:33:58,010 --> 00:33:55,770 to for your test vehicles to maybe have 788 00:34:00,260 --> 00:33:58,020 a shorter flights panels flight time and 789 00:34:01,730 --> 00:34:00,270 have less weight in batteries now we're 790 00:34:03,860 --> 00:34:01,740 looking at fuel cell technology also 791 00:34:05,270 --> 00:34:03,870 then it's it's already out there so 792 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:05,280 we'll probably be moving to fuel cells 793 00:34:09,379 --> 00:34:07,170 you know as far as you know in the next 794 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:09,389 24 months when we're actually in 795 00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:11,010 production and we'll probably be more 796 00:34:16,940 --> 00:34:13,800 fuel cell powered and that will relieve 797 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:16,950 some of that weight issue mm-hmm now I 798 00:34:24,110 --> 00:34:19,770 guess one of the questions that one 799 00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:24,120 would think of is safety how would you 800 00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,409 address safety on something like this 801 00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:29,520 what's interesting i'm working at two 802 00:34:33,110 --> 00:34:31,740 folks they're both astronauts and one of 803 00:34:35,210 --> 00:34:33,120 them worked on the Mars Lander in those 804 00:34:36,649 --> 00:34:35,220 projects and what they did they were 805 00:34:37,879 --> 00:34:36,659 within their inner kind they're they're 806 00:34:39,110 --> 00:34:37,889 basically that was one of the you're 807 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:39,120 talking about as a safety how do we do 808 00:34:45,169 --> 00:34:42,330 this and there is apparently something 809 00:34:46,700 --> 00:34:45,179 similar to an airbag that's on the 810 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:46,710 bottom these craps when they went out 811 00:34:50,659 --> 00:34:49,770 without that they're working on and that 812 00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:50,669 we're going to apply that same 813 00:34:54,619 --> 00:34:52,260 technology so you almost have a giant 814 00:34:57,260 --> 00:34:54,629 air bag under the bottom of it and a 815 00:35:00,020 --> 00:34:57,270 rocket-propelled shoot so you have two 816 00:35:02,990 --> 00:35:00,030 methods and the another thing is you 817 00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:03,000 know it's this this wouldn't have any 818 00:35:07,010 --> 00:35:05,310 you know you could fly 25,000 feet 819 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:07,020 there's not thats not an issue but 820 00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:10,530 ideally you going to fly at about 25 35 821 00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:12,780 feet off the ground it's you're not 822 00:35:16,220 --> 00:35:14,190 going to want to fly up into the clouds 823 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:16,230 like I think it's to make it useful I 824 00:35:19,580 --> 00:35:18,090 guess you could do that but part of the 825 00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,590 idea is to make it so that you're not 826 00:35:24,730 --> 00:35:20,880 you know you're basically just flying 827 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:24,740 over the power lines interesting boy 828 00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:26,970 there's been many times I'm sure a lot 829 00:35:32,270 --> 00:35:29,640 of listeners as well as myself wish we 830 00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:32,280 had one when we're stuck in traffic just 831 00:35:37,220 --> 00:35:36,060 pop right over a bunch of cars now what 832 00:35:40,820 --> 00:35:37,230 has stopped other p 833 00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:40,830 people from succeeding trying to do a 834 00:35:45,590 --> 00:35:43,800 similar thing to what you're doing well 835 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:45,600 you know nobody has done it the way I've 836 00:35:50,210 --> 00:35:48,090 done it the this the idea of you 837 00:35:51,890 --> 00:35:50,220 actually the craft being a gyroscope 838 00:35:54,590 --> 00:35:51,900 it's the first one out there at least 839 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:54,600 and we have you know provisional patents 840 00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:56,970 and we have a design patent on now and a 841 00:36:01,640 --> 00:35:58,680 bunch of other things and you go through 842 00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:01,650 and the research it just it really just 843 00:36:06,859 --> 00:36:03,510 hasn't been done this way before for one 844 00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,869 thing but even bigger than that we need 845 00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:08,640 current technology to make this work ten 846 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:11,220 years ago 15 years ago the density or 847 00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:12,930 the energy density and a battery wasn't 848 00:36:17,150 --> 00:36:15,390 great enough that this would even been 849 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:17,160 possible it would have weighed far too 850 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:18,690 much I mean you're talking back and you 851 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:20,250 know lead acid batteries like I think 852 00:36:24,859 --> 00:36:21,570 just really you couldn't you couldn't 853 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:24,869 get enough energy out of a battery and 854 00:36:28,970 --> 00:36:26,850 put it into the into India in your 855 00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,980 system your medical system and make it 856 00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:31,440 work so it's really just technology has 857 00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:33,780 come far enough now that it's possible 858 00:36:39,290 --> 00:36:36,510 now do you have a engineering background 859 00:36:42,260 --> 00:36:39,300 or is this just something you've just 860 00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:42,270 are pursuing in other ways I I was i 861 00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:44,070 when i was in college i went through 862 00:36:48,740 --> 00:36:46,980 aerospace engineering and finance and 863 00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:48,750 economics kind of a strange thing and i 864 00:36:53,330 --> 00:36:51,000 ended up by my day job is always been i 865 00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:53,340 was i was in banking for quite a number 866 00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:55,710 of years and when everything kind of 867 00:37:01,280 --> 00:36:58,170 went went south and banking you know 868 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:01,290 back in 06 and 07 i decided to go out 869 00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:02,850 and kind of follow up on the family 870 00:37:08,090 --> 00:37:05,310 history wrote a book about Roswell 871 00:37:09,410 --> 00:37:08,100 documentary and i'd go around to his you 872 00:37:12,830 --> 00:37:09,420 know a few speeches here and there and 873 00:37:14,420 --> 00:37:12,840 it's kind of it that was done that was 874 00:37:16,340 --> 00:37:14,430 that was interesting i have i've had a 875 00:37:17,570 --> 00:37:16,350 lot of fun it was it was it you know 876 00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:17,580 I've really had a good experience the 877 00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:19,710 whole thing but in the background has 878 00:37:25,820 --> 00:37:22,380 been this fight to get back into the 879 00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:25,830 arena of aerospace engineering so it's 880 00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,440 this has given me the ability to really 881 00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:31,200 go back into that I've always been I 882 00:37:37,820 --> 00:37:35,940 don't call a designer I I the if I could 883 00:37:40,580 --> 00:37:37,830 spin off a little bit here from the car 884 00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,590 I actually the car was supposed to be a 885 00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:42,240 test bed for another technology i'm 886 00:37:46,940 --> 00:37:45,300 working on mm-hmm it's a like on this 887 00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:46,950 it's a quadcopter on that has four 888 00:37:50,530 --> 00:37:49,140 corner fans to operate quadcopter other 889 00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:50,540 than they don't provide the update 890 00:37:57,010 --> 00:37:51,980 provide directional control that kind of 891 00:37:58,570 --> 00:37:57,020 thing I've been working with and this is 892 00:38:00,910 --> 00:37:58,580 my old it's it's it's based on 893 00:38:04,450 --> 00:38:00,920 theoretical physics i if the reticle ID 894 00:38:07,980 --> 00:38:04,460 anyway it's being able to observe energy 895 00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:07,990 and a fluid being able to divide 896 00:38:14,410 --> 00:38:10,880 gravimetric forces so you create a bias 897 00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:14,420 driver singular vectored yep it's kind 898 00:38:17,380 --> 00:38:15,680 of fun you call it a nourish inertia 899 00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:17,390 means static but if you can picture a 900 00:38:22,270 --> 00:38:19,310 ball that wants to be bit that wants to 901 00:38:23,530 --> 00:38:22,280 be pull out of your hands and it's not 902 00:38:26,860 --> 00:38:23,540 it's not pushing around the air around 903 00:38:29,260 --> 00:38:26,870 it it's actually internal and I've done 904 00:38:31,150 --> 00:38:29,270 some tests using fluids and it works the 905 00:38:35,170 --> 00:38:31,160 next thing is to step up and create a 906 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:35,180 mechanized vector motor that could be 907 00:38:41,530 --> 00:38:38,210 used to propel direction so the idea is 908 00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:41,540 actually to apply a non-existent yet as 909 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:43,310 if yet technology I mean people can be 910 00:38:45,820 --> 00:38:44,570 assured talking about it work out of 911 00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:45,830 some laboratory somewhere in the world I 912 00:38:51,490 --> 00:38:48,800 don't know about of course but the idea 913 00:38:54,190 --> 00:38:51,500 is to create a form of a motor electric 914 00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:54,200 again that creates this vectored force 915 00:39:00,640 --> 00:38:58,370 and like for instance get be used in an 916 00:39:02,650 --> 00:39:00,650 airplane instead of using a jet engine 917 00:39:05,860 --> 00:39:02,660 or propellers or not you're not pushing 918 00:39:08,410 --> 00:39:05,870 air it creates a vectored momentum with 919 00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:08,420 inside the airplane so it would be a 920 00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:12,320 perfectly silent all electric the the 921 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:15,760 force of great is really there its 922 00:39:21,460 --> 00:39:19,370 asymptotic to infinity it's just kind of 923 00:39:22,780 --> 00:39:21,470 it's just some ideas those ideas have 924 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:22,790 been with me since I've been in the time 925 00:39:28,270 --> 00:39:26,330 I in my early 20s so like I said making 926 00:39:30,850 --> 00:39:28,280 a long story of this whole thing is I I 927 00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:30,860 wanted to create a stable aircraft that 928 00:39:34,510 --> 00:39:33,110 I could create these motors that are at 929 00:39:37,150 --> 00:39:34,520 least these sources of energy put them 930 00:39:39,850 --> 00:39:37,160 on board and actually use those to push 931 00:39:42,850 --> 00:39:39,860 it around and so the typhoon is nothing 932 00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,860 was nothing more than a test bed but it 933 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:44,240 became more than that when I put it 934 00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,490 together I like I said I had a couple of 935 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:48,560 girl think tank and a couple of more 936 00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:50,330 astronauts really intelligent people 937 00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:52,310 that have kind of added their two cents 938 00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:55,280 in about some of the mechanisms and then 939 00:40:00,430 --> 00:39:58,640 I started raising eyebrows and decided 940 00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:00,440 well let's just go about this thing in a 941 00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:01,440 big way 942 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:04,380 mm-hmm all right well let's let's talk 943 00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:10,290 about the car okay the typhoon yes yeah 944 00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:11,849 yep all right so i have a typhoon in my 945 00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:15,300 garage and I have it plugged in most 946 00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:18,569 likely so and I'm going to go to work 947 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:20,609 and I'm going to go through a couple of 948 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:22,770 cities or whatever so why don't you just 949 00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:25,650 walk me through what you envision on how 950 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:29,880 this thing would work well the easiest 951 00:40:34,460 --> 00:40:32,130 way to put it is it's I mean it's fully 952 00:40:36,319 --> 00:40:34,470 computer-controlled sorceries the 953 00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:36,329 servomechanisms fly-by-wire those kind 954 00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:39,359 of things so you would step into the voi 955 00:40:45,020 --> 00:40:41,880 she'd unplug it of course step into the 956 00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:45,030 vehicle and then nothing just like the 957 00:40:49,069 --> 00:40:46,920 current cars you have a proximity key 958 00:40:52,819 --> 00:40:49,079 they would initiate the systems on the 959 00:40:55,250 --> 00:40:52,829 car and there would be you would you 960 00:40:56,510 --> 00:40:55,260 would propel it or drive it in your 961 00:40:58,670 --> 00:40:56,520 driveway out of the garage in a dry 962 00:40:59,809 --> 00:40:58,680 weight it does have a very simple system 963 00:41:01,250 --> 00:40:59,819 of wheels you could drive out the 964 00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:01,260 driveway it's not meant to be driven 965 00:41:05,540 --> 00:41:03,000 like down the highway on it but it can 966 00:41:07,339 --> 00:41:05,550 be maneuvered with them and you would 967 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:07,349 put it would it would you would push a 968 00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:08,730 button it would create an automatic 969 00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,000 liftoff sequence so it would measure the 970 00:41:16,460 --> 00:41:14,880 weight of the car it would dip proximity 971 00:41:17,660 --> 00:41:16,470 to proximity detectors would make sure 972 00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,670 there's nothing around it they would be 973 00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:19,680 they could possibly be obstructed her or 974 00:41:23,660 --> 00:41:22,319 impacted when this thing took off and so 975 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:23,670 you push this button once it's figured 976 00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:25,050 out the surroundings it would raise you 977 00:41:31,069 --> 00:41:27,900 to a given altitude of about 30 feet at 978 00:41:32,780 --> 00:41:31,079 that point you would take over and fly 979 00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:32,790 it to wherever you're going to go either 980 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:36,540 either you could have preset the your 981 00:41:42,260 --> 00:41:39,930 guide path your flight path scuze me or 982 00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:42,270 you would in put it through again 983 00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:43,560 something as simple a steering wheel 984 00:41:48,260 --> 00:41:45,839 once you're 30 feet turn right to go 985 00:41:49,730 --> 00:41:48,270 right left go left yeah there's a gas 986 00:41:52,579 --> 00:41:49,740 pedal to make you a four-door brake 987 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:52,589 pedal will stop you now in addition to 988 00:41:57,140 --> 00:41:55,170 those there are paddles same thing uses 989 00:41:59,480 --> 00:41:57,150 switch transmissions gears on like in 990 00:42:01,640 --> 00:41:59,490 about her car and on the paddles you 991 00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:01,650 pull the right paddle it'll go up put a 992 00:42:05,059 --> 00:42:04,319 left paddling of it down so obviously 993 00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:05,069 because you're moving in three 994 00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:08,270 dimensions but the whole idea is that 995 00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:11,369 the car without your inputs is the most 996 00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:13,560 stable so whenever you add an input 997 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:15,119 whenever you make a change in direction 998 00:42:19,309 --> 00:42:17,130 you're actually making it a little less 999 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:19,319 stable and then when you and when you 1000 00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:21,210 then when you let the car take back the 1001 00:42:24,620 --> 00:42:22,440 control again it comes back you more 1002 00:42:26,420 --> 00:42:24,630 stable so it really what's your that 34 1003 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:26,430 the altitude you're you're basically 1004 00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:30,569 pointing going mm-hmm and there that 1005 00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:33,569 obviously we're you know a cutting edge 1006 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:35,670 on the edge there isn't an 1007 00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:37,170 infrastructure built there are no rules 1008 00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:38,700 that kind of thing yet for these things 1009 00:42:43,759 --> 00:42:40,740 so I was going to ask about that there 1010 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:43,769 they'll come around I mean we're at the 1011 00:42:47,989 --> 00:42:44,730 front of it along with some other people 1012 00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:47,999 so you know the way envision it is 1013 00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:50,670 eventually they'll become more and more 1014 00:42:56,779 --> 00:42:53,730 autonomous preset corridors you can fly 1015 00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,789 with him but like if you could think 1016 00:43:00,739 --> 00:42:58,319 about this way okay I'm going to go to 1017 00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:00,749 work this thing III plot on my garage I 1018 00:43:05,739 --> 00:43:03,180 push a button 30 feet okay i know where 1019 00:43:08,089 --> 00:43:05,749 i'm going to and you know you could do a 1020 00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:08,099 you know you could have a map show up as 1021 00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:10,049 you don't like tablet type screen in 1022 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:11,910 front it's going to show you where to go 1023 00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,650 and it'll as long as you stand with a 1024 00:43:17,749 --> 00:43:15,440 little green lines on the on the on the 1025 00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:17,759 glass in front a you'll know you're okay 1026 00:43:20,269 --> 00:43:18,900 to get to where you're going into the 1027 00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:20,279 right direction of the right height that 1028 00:43:26,989 --> 00:43:23,700 kind of thing and then a parking garage 1029 00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:26,999 I wouldn't think in the distant future 1030 00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:29,849 when these become more than norm when 1031 00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,619 you become here with a certain proximity 1032 00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:33,839 of that parking structure you don't be a 1033 00:43:38,210 --> 00:43:36,420 you know quarter mile a thousand you wit 1034 00:43:40,130 --> 00:43:38,220 or whatever as a predetermined set 1035 00:43:42,019 --> 00:43:40,140 figure it's going to now can take a 1036 00:43:43,489 --> 00:43:42,029 troll a car you're going to let go of it 1037 00:43:45,859 --> 00:43:43,499 and it'll guide your car in it'll it'll 1038 00:43:47,749 --> 00:43:45,869 set you down into space so you won't 1039 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:47,759 really be the one in control bringing in 1040 00:43:51,259 --> 00:43:49,410 or taking off when there's other you 1041 00:43:55,009 --> 00:43:51,269 know cars or whatever around it all be 1042 00:43:56,299 --> 00:43:55,019 fairly automatic or autonomous now would 1043 00:44:00,049 --> 00:43:56,309 there have to be some type of special 1044 00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,059 licensing right now as long as it stays 1045 00:44:04,460 --> 00:44:02,880 under a certain weight no and that was 1046 00:44:05,509 --> 00:44:04,470 part of we were doing now everything 1047 00:44:08,809 --> 00:44:05,519 we're going to be everything we're doing 1048 00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:08,819 and working with the FAA on so that so 1049 00:44:12,739 --> 00:44:10,920 you know the idea is once we surpass I 1050 00:44:14,749 --> 00:44:12,749 think it's like 1500 pounds then it'll 1051 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:14,759 move us into a different category for 1052 00:44:18,620 --> 00:44:15,690 thats for the base weight of the vehicle 1053 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:18,630 but there will be a ESO will be working 1054 00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:19,890 hand in hand with them you know 1055 00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:22,980 obviously at some point there's going to 1056 00:44:26,329 --> 00:44:24,569 be some restrictions placed on these 1057 00:44:27,739 --> 00:44:26,339 sort of vehicles and you'll have to go 1058 00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:27,749 through some kind of train school and 1059 00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:28,880 it'll be an addendum to your 1060 00:44:32,589 --> 00:44:31,220 his license to be able to use it like 1061 00:44:34,809 --> 00:44:32,599 said right now it doesn't exist but i 1062 00:44:37,059 --> 00:44:34,819 can't imagine in a new not-too-distant 1063 00:44:39,279 --> 00:44:37,069 future will be a you know some kind of 1064 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:39,289 manager event like right now the FAA 1065 00:44:44,109 --> 00:44:40,970 will require testing of the vehicle 1066 00:44:45,789 --> 00:44:44,119 under tether don't make you go out and 1067 00:44:47,529 --> 00:44:45,799 prove that the vehicle can do what it 1068 00:44:49,269 --> 00:44:47,539 wants to do once you've proven that then 1069 00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:49,279 you're allowed to untether it that 1070 00:44:52,259 --> 00:44:50,569 nobody's gotten that point of being 1071 00:44:56,380 --> 00:44:52,269 untethered with the exception there's a 1072 00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:56,390 there is a thanks man there isn't one 1073 00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,440 out there it's basically an airplane 1074 00:45:02,109 --> 00:44:58,880 with folding wings and they have made it 1075 00:45:04,539 --> 00:45:02,119 past that one of the one of the issues 1076 00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:04,549 is when you deal with an airplane that I 1077 00:45:09,220 --> 00:45:06,529 mean they can fold down to drive on the 1078 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:09,230 on the road but that means you're still 1079 00:45:13,210 --> 00:45:10,970 taking off at lying in an airport and 1080 00:45:15,069 --> 00:45:13,220 just because of all the the craziness in 1081 00:45:18,009 --> 00:45:15,079 the world it's probably going to be more 1082 00:45:20,319 --> 00:45:18,019 tough or more difficult to fly to an 1083 00:45:22,349 --> 00:45:20,329 airport and drive off or drive on to an 1084 00:45:24,490 --> 00:45:22,359 airport and fly out without a lot of 1085 00:45:26,170 --> 00:45:24,500 checking or a lot of inspections that 1086 00:45:28,509 --> 00:45:26,180 kind of thing and you know who knows 1087 00:45:29,859 --> 00:45:28,519 where that'll go but yeah that is almost 1088 00:45:32,549 --> 00:45:29,869 like to have they'd almost have to 1089 00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:32,559 create separate airports just for those 1090 00:45:37,390 --> 00:45:34,910 exactly just for safety's sake like side 1091 00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:37,400 you know just theorizing but it'll be 1092 00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:40,640 interesting to see I mean it's that the 1093 00:45:43,809 --> 00:45:41,990 world will look completely different the 1094 00:45:47,170 --> 00:45:43,819 next 30 years and when it comes to this 1095 00:45:50,109 --> 00:45:47,180 kind of technology it's there's some 1096 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:50,119 forecasts that came about saying by 2050 1097 00:45:54,279 --> 00:45:51,650 this technology will be the norm and 1098 00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:54,289 it's and it'll be necessary to navigate 1099 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:55,609 large city isn't that kind of thing and 1100 00:45:59,559 --> 00:45:57,650 it kind of makes sense you know I'm 1101 00:46:01,870 --> 00:45:59,569 doing it for fun I'm excited by it it's 1102 00:46:03,819 --> 00:46:01,880 it's kind of you you see the pictures of 1103 00:46:06,789 --> 00:46:03,829 car it looks more like a sports car than 1104 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:06,799 anything else so it I do them and the 1105 00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:08,690 listener can check out right now 1106 00:46:13,299 --> 00:46:10,609 actually if you're listening live on 1107 00:46:15,370 --> 00:46:13,309 podcast UFO calm and the show notes 1108 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:15,380 right on the front page we have a 1109 00:46:21,609 --> 00:46:17,930 picture of it it's a great looking and 1110 00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,619 it that's all your design yes nice yeah 1111 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:23,359 yeah we start out with you know start 1112 00:46:27,940 --> 00:46:25,490 with sketches then then went to 1113 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:27,950 SolidWorks and made a 3d model of it 1114 00:46:31,269 --> 00:46:29,210 that's kind of how we started so I 1115 00:46:33,490 --> 00:46:31,279 technologies so wonderful now you can 1116 00:46:34,990 --> 00:46:33,500 get you know from us scratch got a piece 1117 00:46:37,420 --> 00:46:35,000 of paper the holding a model within 1118 00:46:39,579 --> 00:46:37,430 weeks I know it's amazing than 3d 1119 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:39,589 printer you mentioned that whole thing 1120 00:46:46,780 --> 00:46:42,650 is amazing now you mentioned or 1121 00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:46,790 you know that finances other any other 1122 00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:50,280 blockers or major hurdles that you're 1123 00:46:59,089 --> 00:46:55,020 aware of at this point you know this the 1124 00:47:01,789 --> 00:46:59,099 way I look at it is I can you know it s 1125 00:47:03,710 --> 00:47:01,799 are being a finance term I'll bootstrap 1126 00:47:06,829 --> 00:47:03,720 it I'll find it out of my pocket until 1127 00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:06,839 it's done I you know it so in my mind 1128 00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:08,460 there's nothing's going to stop it from 1129 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:12,660 being done now past that i am going to 1130 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:15,930 be looking for some partners to join the 1131 00:47:18,859 --> 00:47:17,730 company to think wow that seems pretty 1132 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:18,869 cool let's see what we can do with it 1133 00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,450 and just just elevate to the point where 1134 00:47:25,460 --> 00:47:24,000 it's not gonna I I won't you know it 1135 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:25,470 won't take me a couple years to get to 1136 00:47:29,660 --> 00:47:26,970 the point of having this thing ready to 1137 00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:29,670 go and of course you know in there is 1138 00:47:33,859 --> 00:47:32,520 there's I said the other company is 1139 00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:33,869 interested in coming along and endorsing 1140 00:47:37,849 --> 00:47:35,849 so we'll see where it goes but you know 1141 00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:37,859 it's like any new adventure an adventure 1142 00:47:43,539 --> 00:47:41,359 it's you know it's a monetary constraint 1143 00:47:46,579 --> 00:47:43,549 technologies done though I mean that are 1144 00:47:48,589 --> 00:47:46,589 using 3d printing to create the molds to 1145 00:47:49,549 --> 00:47:48,599 lay up carbon fiber to create the panels 1146 00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:49,559 that's what it's the whole thing's 1147 00:47:53,180 --> 00:47:51,240 promised entirely made of carbon fiber 1148 00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:53,190 we already have people ready to lay up 1149 00:47:57,260 --> 00:47:55,020 the everything from the rotor to the 1150 00:47:59,299 --> 00:47:57,270 body panels to everything's you know 1151 00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:59,309 that's pretty much ready to go and like 1152 00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:00,540 so technology's made that a lot easier 1153 00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:03,569 you know they might like 3d model I have 1154 00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:05,220 two can fit your hands we can take those 1155 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:10,079 same called STL files and and create the 1156 00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:11,970 actual real panels from that so it's 1157 00:48:17,180 --> 00:48:15,000 it's pretty amazing the one thing I you 1158 00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:17,190 know could envision in there may be 1159 00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:18,270 something you've already thought of 1160 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:21,000 about this is you know collisions with 1161 00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:23,490 other let's just say that these become 1162 00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:25,710 popular these people have them you 1163 00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:28,049 mentioned corridors which sounds like a 1164 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:31,680 good idea but you know the cross you 1165 00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:33,690 know t-boning someone or something like 1166 00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:36,720 that all that that'd be kind of hard to 1167 00:48:42,349 --> 00:48:40,380 regulate what you know there's you know 1168 00:48:44,750 --> 00:48:42,359 on the level we're talking about it now 1169 00:48:48,289 --> 00:48:44,760 it's easy there are sensors proximity 1170 00:48:50,270 --> 00:48:48,299 detectors that will the computer will 1171 00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:50,280 not let you get within a certain number 1172 00:48:54,829 --> 00:48:52,140 of feet a certain fixed variable create 1173 00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,839 of another object say it's 5 feet 10 1174 00:48:58,819 --> 00:48:56,160 feet 100 feet whatever that it 1175 00:48:59,930 --> 00:48:58,829 so it would actually you could steer 1176 00:49:01,370 --> 00:48:59,940 yourself right into the side of a 1177 00:49:03,380 --> 00:49:01,380 building and again that would never let 1178 00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:03,390 you do that or or into another car and 1179 00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,200 that kind of thing so it's going to be 1180 00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:06,720 aware needle through avionics something 1181 00:49:11,569 --> 00:49:08,250 similar to an airplane obviously is not 1182 00:49:13,789 --> 00:49:11,579 a control center but the same way i 1183 00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,799 think you know some of the larger luxury 1184 00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:15,839 car manufacturers already have you know 1185 00:49:19,220 --> 00:49:18,240 put together these crash avoidance and a 1186 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:19,230 lot of those is the same kind of 1187 00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:21,450 proximity detection that you can run up 1188 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:23,369 on a parked car in front of you and when 1189 00:49:27,319 --> 00:49:25,890 it detects you're moving faster then you 1190 00:49:28,849 --> 00:49:27,329 know then this that breaks in a 1191 00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:28,859 meaningful sense to be able to stop you 1192 00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:30,900 it'll slam on the brakes for you so it's 1193 00:49:35,660 --> 00:49:34,260 that same kind of technology I see in 1194 00:49:38,359 --> 00:49:35,670 three dimensions you know they'd rather 1195 00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:38,369 too and what do you envision a speed of 1196 00:49:43,460 --> 00:49:40,049 something like this could could travel 1197 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:43,470 you know I was never designed for speed 1198 00:49:48,260 --> 00:49:45,210 I mean of course since you're talking 1199 00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:48,270 about being airborne you you have you 1200 00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:49,710 have a little more flexibility that way 1201 00:49:54,109 --> 00:49:52,500 but you know really not the design i 1202 00:49:56,660 --> 00:49:54,119 have right now not much different than a 1203 00:49:58,970 --> 00:49:56,670 car 60 or 80 if you're going to express 1204 00:50:01,130 --> 00:49:58,980 it in miles per hour you know not not 1205 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:01,140 terrifically fast not that you couldn't 1206 00:50:07,250 --> 00:50:04,770 push it to do that as an example the way 1207 00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,260 the car is controlled the the corner 1208 00:50:10,849 --> 00:50:09,599 rotors and it might be hard to envision 1209 00:50:13,970 --> 00:50:10,859 this unless you're seeing a picture of 1210 00:50:17,059 --> 00:50:13,980 it I rotatable in three dimensions so 1211 00:50:19,220 --> 00:50:17,069 you can you can stay look at the car can 1212 00:50:21,019 --> 00:50:19,230 stay level and still Gore again make 1213 00:50:22,609 --> 00:50:21,029 make turns go forward go backwards 1214 00:50:24,859 --> 00:50:22,619 because the the rotors are actually 1215 00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:24,869 changing the direction but in another 1216 00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:26,460 setting with the car you'd be able to 1217 00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,250 fix the rotors and then you'd be banking 1218 00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:31,440 through turns and instead of going on a 1219 00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:34,140 level flight the nose would tip down and 1220 00:50:36,859 --> 00:50:35,369 all of a sudden your main rotor it 1221 00:50:38,269 --> 00:50:36,869 spreading on the thrust would also 1222 00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:38,279 prepare it for it would also give you a 1223 00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:41,160 forward thrust and it's those kind of 1224 00:50:45,019 --> 00:50:43,020 things what if you you know if you want 1225 00:50:47,329 --> 00:50:45,029 to get into more of a sporting mode then 1226 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:47,339 really you know it's something probably 1227 00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:48,930 more similar to a small stuffs not that 1228 00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:52,020 kind of thing mm-hmm it's limitless 1229 00:50:55,549 --> 00:50:54,000 depending on what you a mean you could 1230 00:50:58,910 --> 00:50:55,559 design it to go much faster if that's 1231 00:51:00,740 --> 00:50:58,920 what you wanted to but so I only someone 1232 00:51:02,990 --> 00:51:00,750 on the message board was wondering if 1233 00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:03,000 you have you think that you could do 1234 00:51:07,819 --> 00:51:04,529 stunts with this loop de loops and stuff 1235 00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:07,829 like that yes you could do anything it 1236 00:51:10,770 --> 00:51:09,310 you figure you 1237 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:10,780 have complete control in three 1238 00:51:14,700 --> 00:51:13,090 dimensions and you can do it statically 1239 00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:14,710 you can do it from a single points it's 1240 00:51:17,460 --> 00:51:16,510 not like an airplane or you know where 1241 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:17,470 you got to get momentum you got to go 1242 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:18,970 forward get enough energy as you can do 1243 00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:21,370 a loop or or starting to motor to hang 1244 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:23,110 out the prop that kind of thing this 1245 00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,570 could yes you know you could any of 1246 00:51:31,740 --> 00:51:27,760 those could be possible in a very small 1247 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:31,750 space actually Wow now I would imagine 1248 00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:34,570 if you had four rotors no matter even if 1249 00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,520 you're running off electricity which is 1250 00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:38,800 basically very quiet it would still 1251 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:42,160 cause quite a bit of noise you know 1252 00:51:47,460 --> 00:51:44,890 because they're the rotors are big 1253 00:51:49,410 --> 00:51:47,470 enough and there they don't have to turn 1254 00:51:51,540 --> 00:51:49,420 so fast so it actually wouldn't be that 1255 00:51:54,660 --> 00:51:51,550 noisy nothing at all compared like a 1256 00:51:56,670 --> 00:51:54,670 ringer airplane in fact it if it went 1257 00:51:59,250 --> 00:51:56,680 overhead say 30 feet off the ground you 1258 00:52:01,050 --> 00:51:59,260 probably couldn't hear it really so be 1259 00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:01,060 nothing like a helicopter anything no 1260 00:52:04,260 --> 00:52:03,250 nothing like that at all and a lot of 1261 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:04,270 the help the noise made in a helicopter 1262 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:07,210 the rotors they deleting it the leading 1263 00:52:10,740 --> 00:52:09,130 edge of one rotor will catch an air 1264 00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,750 pocket behind the trailing edge and it 1265 00:52:13,530 --> 00:52:12,400 caused that clapping sound kind of going 1266 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:13,540 through there those guy things here when 1267 00:52:17,340 --> 00:52:15,490 they commit when they slow down just 1268 00:52:18,990 --> 00:52:17,350 because the way this is it's theirs it 1269 00:52:21,630 --> 00:52:19,000 that said the rotor doesn't need to turn 1270 00:52:26,250 --> 00:52:21,640 nearly as fast as a helicopter dose for 1271 00:52:27,780 --> 00:52:26,260 instance and it it relegates it makes a 1272 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:27,790 lot more quiet and in fact like I said 1273 00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:29,410 it would be it would be I mean you 1274 00:52:33,420 --> 00:52:30,880 definitely be able to hear it if it was 1275 00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:33,430 by you are immediately near vicinity but 1276 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:35,110 flying overhead you really wouldn't 1277 00:52:40,770 --> 00:52:38,170 notice it now I know I read somewhere 1278 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:40,780 where you know the helicopter wouldn't 1279 00:52:45,450 --> 00:52:44,050 work until they made the rotor tilt or 1280 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:45,460 whatever because we catch that air 1281 00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:47,890 pocket and it would crash and you know 1282 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:50,950 they had a lot of a lot of you know hit 1283 00:52:56,220 --> 00:52:53,170 and miss to get that thing going in the 1284 00:52:57,930 --> 00:52:56,230 beginning yep there was like I said this 1285 00:52:59,940 --> 00:52:57,940 yeah there's that means some of the 1286 00:53:02,250 --> 00:52:59,950 technology in a helicopter what what's 1287 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:02,260 interesting is you figure like a Huey 1288 00:53:07,350 --> 00:53:05,050 helicopter they're powered by a couple 1289 00:53:11,010 --> 00:53:07,360 of turbines I they put out like about 1290 00:53:14,550 --> 00:53:11,020 700 85 horsepower each and they're you 1291 00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:14,560 know they're quite a like a Huey 1292 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:16,510 helicopter shop for familiar with a way 1293 00:53:21,019 --> 00:53:19,810 you know quite a bit many times what 1294 00:53:23,509 --> 00:53:21,029 this car does 1295 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:23,519 but yet because of electricity you can 1296 00:53:27,979 --> 00:53:25,890 create you can create almost as much 1297 00:53:29,149 --> 00:53:27,989 more actually create more horsepower if 1298 00:53:31,009 --> 00:53:29,159 you put it that way we're not bado you 1299 00:53:32,839 --> 00:53:31,019 can convert horsepower wats but if we 1300 00:53:35,179 --> 00:53:32,849 stay at the idea of horsepower you 1301 00:53:37,969 --> 00:53:35,189 create more horsepower with what I've 1302 00:53:40,429 --> 00:53:37,979 done here then in a huey helicopter just 1303 00:53:42,289 --> 00:53:40,439 because of the sheer the way the 1304 00:53:43,819 --> 00:53:42,299 leverage in the motor works the way the 1305 00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:43,829 weights created within the within the 1306 00:53:50,539 --> 00:53:46,049 body of this so if you create a very 1307 00:53:52,669 --> 00:53:50,549 strong motor with with very steeply 1308 00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:52,679 angled thins with inside of a road or 1309 00:53:55,219 --> 00:53:53,849 like so they don't have it they don't 1310 00:53:58,189 --> 00:53:55,229 have to go that fast and create an 1311 00:53:59,390 --> 00:53:58,199 incredible thrust Wow I might have some 1312 00:54:01,699 --> 00:53:59,400 listeners I was just thinking I might 1313 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:01,709 have some listeners complain that this 1314 00:54:06,439 --> 00:54:04,890 show has nothing to do about UFOs yes I 1315 00:54:09,649 --> 00:54:06,449 could utter I could understand that 1316 00:54:11,149 --> 00:54:09,659 completely so I'm ready for that but for 1317 00:54:13,609 --> 00:54:11,159 the listener we will be talking about 1318 00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:13,619 that in the second hour some more now 1319 00:54:19,489 --> 00:54:15,089 have you figured out what a range would 1320 00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:19,499 be from plug into replug in you know 1321 00:54:25,489 --> 00:54:22,169 it's it's more like you know you should 1322 00:54:27,859 --> 00:54:25,499 be able to run for about an hour so that 1323 00:54:29,539 --> 00:54:27,869 roughly with why I put it an hour see 1324 00:54:30,739 --> 00:54:29,549 you figure ok well if you're going 30 1325 00:54:32,509 --> 00:54:30,749 miles an hour or you should be look 1326 00:54:34,729 --> 00:54:32,519 about 30 miles if you go 60 miles an 1327 00:54:36,739 --> 00:54:34,739 hour about you know about 60 miles you 1328 00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:36,749 know I would say to be safe when we're 1329 00:54:41,329 --> 00:54:38,880 actually testing and we get the g'deon's 1330 00:54:44,749 --> 00:54:41,339 going you know about a 20 mile distance 1331 00:54:46,609 --> 00:54:44,759 I see and then you know and then go from 1332 00:54:48,140 --> 00:54:46,619 there I said we're also at the very 1333 00:54:51,319 --> 00:54:48,150 beginning this thing it could be 1334 00:54:53,569 --> 00:54:51,329 designed like the the you create enough 1335 00:54:55,579 --> 00:54:53,579 thrust to actually have far more you 1336 00:54:57,229 --> 00:54:55,589 know far bigger power supply into them 1337 00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:57,239 that I'm what are you putting into it so 1338 00:55:01,099 --> 00:54:58,799 it's possible to greatly increase that 1339 00:55:02,779 --> 00:55:01,109 but again you know for simplicity for 1340 00:55:05,299 --> 00:55:02,789 safety for testing it's just not going 1341 00:55:07,909 --> 00:55:05,309 to be as far now I would think that 1342 00:55:09,409 --> 00:55:07,919 you'd want to create a miniature 1343 00:55:12,529 --> 00:55:09,419 prototype of this have you thought of 1344 00:55:15,259 --> 00:55:12,539 that you know my I was going to get a 30 1345 00:55:17,870 --> 00:55:15,269 create a 30 present scale thirty percent 1346 00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:17,880 scale model of the whole thing but by 1347 00:55:21,799 --> 00:55:20,099 the time you get that far because of 1348 00:55:22,759 --> 00:55:21,809 again 3d printing that kind of thing I 1349 00:55:25,819 --> 00:55:22,769 mean if you're I'm going to be using the 1350 00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,829 same computer the same the same the same 1351 00:55:30,670 --> 00:55:28,079 mechanical ideas in the prototype asur 1352 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:30,680 the this small-scale version 1353 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:33,650 as a cost it's there so close to the 1354 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:35,690 same to build a 30-percent model is to 1355 00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:38,210 build a full-scale model it almost makes 1356 00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:39,920 sense just to build the full-scale model 1357 00:55:45,310 --> 00:55:44,000 yeah I can see that it's like it would 1358 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:45,320 him in the case like said 10 years ago 1359 00:55:49,060 --> 00:55:47,210 completely would have made sense to make 1360 00:55:51,010 --> 00:55:49,070 a smaller you know proof-of-concept kind 1361 00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:51,020 of thing but now it's just like so the 1362 00:55:54,910 --> 00:55:53,360 differential is so small it is just you 1363 00:55:56,530 --> 00:55:54,920 know it's about thirty percent more to 1364 00:55:58,420 --> 00:55:56,540 get the full the full version of 1365 00:56:00,910 --> 00:55:58,430 something could sit in and fly so we're 1366 00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:00,920 just going to go for it all I think I've 1367 00:56:05,020 --> 00:56:03,200 early car manufacturers for some reason 1368 00:56:07,210 --> 00:56:05,030 when I'm thinking about you know how 1369 00:56:09,150 --> 00:56:07,220 your you're plugging along with this 1370 00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:09,160 idea you know it's kind of in the same 1371 00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:12,110 realm only it's a different you know a 1372 00:56:20,980 --> 00:56:15,920 whole different animal but still would 1373 00:56:24,220 --> 00:56:20,990 you fear any type of say competition you 1374 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:24,230 know like for instance um Tucker when he 1375 00:56:28,660 --> 00:56:26,090 was building his car he built the 1376 00:56:30,970 --> 00:56:28,670 prototype type of thing same thing and 1377 00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:30,980 you know but he was basically pushed out 1378 00:56:35,290 --> 00:56:33,920 of business so you fear any you think 1379 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:35,300 there's anything out there that would 1380 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:38,450 like come at you to stop you from moving 1381 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:41,530 ahead I mean as far as that goes i mean 1382 00:56:46,780 --> 00:56:44,450 it's almost better because things move 1383 00:56:48,490 --> 00:56:46,790 so fast today it's almost to get your 1384 00:56:50,500 --> 00:56:48,500 it's almost better to get your idea out 1385 00:56:52,780 --> 00:56:50,510 there and take ownership of it in a big 1386 00:56:54,490 --> 00:56:52,790 sense sometimes trying to keep it 1387 00:56:57,070 --> 00:56:54,500 obscure it was only a few people knowing 1388 00:56:59,170 --> 00:56:57,080 about it it opens it i think it almost 1389 00:57:01,090 --> 00:56:59,180 open up the competition more in that 1390 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:01,100 it's if i get this thing out there so 1391 00:57:04,030 --> 00:57:02,330 it's everywhere I mean of course I've 1392 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:04,040 covered you know it was a Pence and that 1393 00:57:07,390 --> 00:57:05,810 kind of thing for the for the hell 1394 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:07,400 detective technologies being applied but 1395 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:08,570 if somebody else I go out there and they 1396 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:09,770 say oh that's pretty cool i'm gonna make 1397 00:57:13,780 --> 00:57:12,290 one too it comes down to the point where 1398 00:57:16,450 --> 00:57:13,790 you know and maybe I'm a little 1399 00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:16,460 optimistic that they'd have it be better 1400 00:57:19,930 --> 00:57:18,110 for them to contact me and work together 1401 00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:19,940 on something then it would be to try to 1402 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:21,190 take it and do something themselves 1403 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:23,570 mm-hmm just from the legal liability 1404 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:25,370 sense on the rest of it's like you know 1405 00:57:29,350 --> 00:57:27,650 I'm not it's like I'm not a big greedy 1406 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:29,360 person i think you know hey if you if 1407 00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:30,650 you if you have something to say well i 1408 00:57:34,810 --> 00:57:32,720 could get that done in you know in two 1409 00:57:36,910 --> 00:57:34,820 months rather than two years let's look 1410 00:57:39,250 --> 00:57:36,920 let's put something together to get you 1411 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:39,260 know it doesn't have to be a us versus 1412 00:57:43,420 --> 00:57:41,210 them kind of thing conversely are you 1413 00:57:44,190 --> 00:57:43,430 thinking about anyone that's out there 1414 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:44,200 right now that 1415 00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:47,890 you're thinking about approaching you 1416 00:57:52,109 --> 00:57:49,570 know I have a couple of names of people 1417 00:57:54,450 --> 00:57:52,119 you know part of it you know is 1418 00:57:56,550 --> 00:57:54,460 leveraging my name I must be honest with 1419 00:57:59,849 --> 00:57:56,560 it I I get out there because of because 1420 00:58:01,290 --> 00:57:59,859 my name with Roswell you know I get the 1421 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:01,300 chance to meet and talk to a lot of very 1422 00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:02,650 interesting people and some of them are 1423 00:58:06,569 --> 00:58:04,329 fairly powerful and wealthy and that 1424 00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:06,579 kind of thing so there is a window of 1425 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:08,079 opportunity to talk to some of those 1426 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:10,690 folks so that that is definitely a 1427 00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:13,690 possibility um what I've decided to do 1428 00:58:18,780 --> 00:58:16,630 is like I said I in a financial sense 1429 00:58:21,089 --> 00:58:18,790 I'm gonna try to find some partners 1430 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:21,099 it'll come along that might end it and 1431 00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,210 then look for them to come in at the 1432 00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:24,160 very beginning and give me a little bit 1433 00:58:29,550 --> 00:58:27,040 of time and then you know in and walk in 1434 00:58:31,140 --> 00:58:29,560 because I have a couple of larger people 1435 00:58:33,180 --> 00:58:31,150 like I could definitely sit down and 1436 00:58:35,339 --> 00:58:33,190 talk to but I want to be completely put 1437 00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:35,349 together when i do that yeah you know 1438 00:58:39,780 --> 00:58:37,720 all right can you give out we're just 1439 00:58:42,450 --> 00:58:39,790 about at the end of the first hour here 1440 00:58:44,250 --> 00:58:42,460 can you give out your website and 1441 00:58:48,809 --> 00:58:44,260 Facebook page Twitter all that stuff 1442 00:58:52,190 --> 00:58:48,819 yeah it's airborne motors com airborne 1443 00:58:54,510 --> 00:58:52,200 with an e AI our Bo are any motors com 1444 00:58:57,599 --> 00:58:54,520 there's also a Twitter feed which is 1445 00:59:00,599 --> 00:58:57,609 airborne facebook if you just go to 1446 00:59:02,609 --> 00:59:00,609 jesse marcel oh you'll find out of 1447 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:02,619 facebook you'll see my father's you'll 1448 00:59:07,170 --> 00:59:05,050 see mine and I just couple other ones i 1449 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:07,180 think i'm actually the third one on 1450 00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:08,530 there something like that but if you 1451 00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:10,329 just like jesse marcel you'll see am i 1452 00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:13,119 smiling face that's what you see ways to 1453 00:59:18,540 --> 00:59:16,720 get to it yeah okay well alright so why 1454 00:59:21,059 --> 00:59:18,550 don't you say goodbye to the first our 1455 00:59:24,300 --> 00:59:21,069 listeners thanks everybody for listening 1456 00:59:26,130 --> 00:59:24,310 I hope I didn't bore you know I think 1457 00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:26,140 it's been fascinating in its the second 1458 00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:27,839 hour we're going to be talking about 1459 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:32,079 your family Roswell and something I sent 1460 01:00:41,440 --> 00:59:35,050 you a clip of us to see what you thought 1461 01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:44,480 that music was provided by Kerry Lloyd 1462 01:00:49,220 --> 01:00:46,650 White House I think was in he does a lot 1463 01:00:51,500 --> 01:00:49,230 of clips for movies so that was up for 1464 01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:51,510 some movie obviously he gave us the 1465 01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:53,520 rights to use all of this music he's a 1466 01:00:59,269 --> 01:00:56,160 fan of the show lives in Ireland and 1467 01:01:02,000 --> 01:00:59,279 creates music that's what he does for a 1468 01:01:06,250 --> 01:01:02,010 living and so we're back with jesse 1469 01:01:08,769 --> 01:01:06,260 marcel the 3rd and got ya welcome back 1470 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:08,779 whoops hang on this has happened before 1471 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:11,250 another thing is starting to play I 1472 01:01:15,740 --> 01:01:13,770 don't know why the same clip wants to 1473 01:01:19,789 --> 01:01:15,750 play every time I guess I'll have to 1474 01:01:22,370 --> 01:01:19,799 play it next time but Jesse so that was 1475 01:01:23,660 --> 01:01:22,380 really fascinating about the the car and 1476 01:01:26,180 --> 01:01:23,670 I wish you all the luck in the world 1477 01:01:30,609 --> 01:01:26,190 would thank you and you know if you get 1478 01:01:32,839 --> 01:01:30,619 the right people involved in that and 1479 01:01:35,029 --> 01:01:32,849 you know I hate to say it but a lot of 1480 01:01:38,089 --> 01:01:35,039 it just boils down to a big pile of cash 1481 01:01:39,890 --> 01:01:38,099 to get something like that yeah moving 1482 01:01:41,450 --> 01:01:39,900 it yep that's its it's like any other 1483 01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:41,460 venture it does take some pile of cash 1484 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:43,049 but we have a good foundation going I 1485 01:01:47,089 --> 01:01:45,450 mean I'm excited about it i think it's 1486 01:01:49,130 --> 01:01:47,099 it's it's one of those things that yummy 1487 01:01:50,359 --> 01:01:49,140 if you don't take any risks you know i'm 1488 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:50,369 not going to get anywhere with it i'm 1489 01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:52,170 i'm willing to put it on the line to 1490 01:01:56,900 --> 01:01:54,210 make this thing work so yeah that's um 1491 01:01:59,390 --> 01:01:56,910 that's how all great ideas start you 1492 01:02:00,980 --> 01:01:59,400 know i mean the idea starts the risk is 1493 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:00,990 there and all the great achievements 1494 01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:02,970 that have been done throughout time or 1495 01:02:09,980 --> 01:02:06,329 all because someone really took the big 1496 01:02:12,140 --> 01:02:09,990 risk yeah so I congratulate you on that 1497 01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:12,150 well thank you not everybody would do 1498 01:02:19,370 --> 01:02:15,890 that that's for sure so let's talk about 1499 01:02:22,329 --> 01:02:19,380 first of all I know you briefly said 1500 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:22,339 about your family and let us talk about 1501 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:24,930 Roswell and how that's impacted your 1502 01:02:32,269 --> 01:02:27,930 life and all the way back to your 1503 01:02:33,799 --> 01:02:32,279 grandfather I remember last time we 1504 01:02:35,700 --> 01:02:33,809 spoke you said you used to visit them in 1505 01:02:38,970 --> 01:02:35,710 the South somewhere 1506 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:38,980 they lived in on a bayou in Houma 1507 01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:42,490 Louisiana a little house that he dealt 1508 01:02:49,140 --> 01:02:45,369 down that way so now when this happened 1509 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:49,150 when Stanton Friedman got the word at 1510 01:02:54,930 --> 01:02:51,130 the TV station radio station whatever it 1511 01:02:59,010 --> 01:02:54,940 was and someone mentioned that they were 1512 01:03:01,800 --> 01:02:59,020 talking on the radio yeah with your 1513 01:03:03,450 --> 01:03:01,810 grandfather did you were you aware of 1514 01:03:06,180 --> 01:03:03,460 that whole situation when that happened 1515 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:06,190 or was that before your time a long time 1516 01:03:10,770 --> 01:03:07,930 before my time you know why I shouldn't 1517 01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:10,780 say that it was my grandfather was a 1518 01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:13,839 very avid ham radio operator ham radio 1519 01:03:18,210 --> 01:03:16,150 that's right yeah and some somebody 1520 01:03:21,390 --> 01:03:18,220 somewhere i'm not quite sure who where 1521 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:21,400 had recognized his name and knew he was 1522 01:03:25,020 --> 01:03:23,290 attached to the 50 ninth you know air 1523 01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:25,030 base that at the time back in 47 of 1524 01:03:29,490 --> 01:03:27,130 course and had brought up said you know 1525 01:03:32,250 --> 01:03:29,500 i heard some rumors that maybe something 1526 01:03:35,099 --> 01:03:32,260 was seen back then and that's what 1527 01:03:36,780 --> 01:03:35,109 started up and then yeah somebody that 1528 01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:36,790 was aware of that conversation took 1529 01:03:41,130 --> 01:03:39,280 place that 80 it hit the papers and then 1530 01:03:42,410 --> 01:03:41,140 i'm stan friedman what became involved 1531 01:03:46,140 --> 01:03:42,420 of course and started doing a lot of 1532 01:03:48,420 --> 01:03:46,150 investigating mm-hmm and that's kind of 1533 01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:48,430 what broke the whole case right open it 1534 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:51,250 was mean after 30 years it was it was 1535 01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:53,530 standing for agent excuse me Stanton 1536 01:03:58,650 --> 01:03:55,930 Friedman's diligence now there's other 1537 01:04:01,710 --> 01:03:58,660 places my grandfather was actually not a 1538 01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:01,720 big public person he was you know it 1539 01:04:06,780 --> 01:04:04,330 sounds like eight like this when a story 1540 01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:06,790 started coming out ledos the papers one 1541 01:04:11,820 --> 01:04:09,760 interview but who is at the National 1542 01:04:14,550 --> 01:04:11,830 Enquirer wanted to pay for him to give 1543 01:04:15,780 --> 01:04:14,560 him to spill a story with them but he 1544 01:04:17,849 --> 01:04:15,790 kept with Stanton freedom at the 1545 01:04:19,500 --> 01:04:17,859 beginning and kind of give him an 1546 01:04:22,140 --> 01:04:19,510 overview of what would have happened 1547 01:04:24,540 --> 01:04:22,150 back then so now let's talk about when 1548 01:04:28,380 --> 01:04:24,550 he was actually posing for a picture 1549 01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:28,390 with the weather balloon debris yes what 1550 01:04:31,950 --> 01:04:30,130 is he what did he ever this is just 1551 01:04:34,829 --> 01:04:31,960 something I've never heard talked about 1552 01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:34,839 what did he actually say about that 1553 01:04:44,250 --> 01:04:41,650 whole situation just that it was it was 1554 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:44,260 it was set up his biggest thing was it 1555 01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:47,290 that it had been staged one thing that 1556 01:04:50,780 --> 01:04:48,570 he did say 1557 01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:50,790 and that we've got the photos deeply is 1558 01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:52,710 it he said that he had the stuff in 1559 01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:54,240 there with it was it was part of a Rowan 1560 01:04:57,590 --> 01:04:55,770 target you know would they what they 1561 01:04:59,120 --> 01:04:57,600 were saying it were purported to be but 1562 01:05:02,060 --> 01:04:59,130 he said there were some pieces of real 1563 01:05:03,380 --> 01:05:02,070 debris in there I mixed in with that pic 1564 01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:03,390 yeah mixed in with her there were some 1565 01:05:07,070 --> 01:05:05,130 real pieces and we've gone through I've 1566 01:05:08,780 --> 01:05:07,080 had the which I'd be happy to send you 1567 01:05:11,030 --> 01:05:08,790 if you want a copy I've had them and has 1568 01:05:12,410 --> 01:05:11,040 colorized everything in the world and 1569 01:05:14,540 --> 01:05:12,420 it's kind of it's kind of you know 1570 01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:14,550 there's a bunch of detail you can't get 1571 01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:16,110 from just looking at it on the internet 1572 01:05:19,970 --> 01:05:18,540 that kind of thing but yeah he said that 1573 01:05:22,580 --> 01:05:19,980 there were some of the real pieces in 1574 01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:22,590 the room wow I never heard that now what 1575 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:24,810 about the actual document that he had in 1576 01:05:29,390 --> 01:05:26,250 his hand that the guy's been trying to 1577 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:29,400 decipher in San Francisco for several 1578 01:05:35,030 --> 01:05:32,490 years that says bodies or something like 1579 01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:35,040 that on it well you know if I can stay 1580 01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:39,660 on the conservative side he said that he 1581 01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,210 wasn't directly involved with that part 1582 01:05:45,890 --> 01:05:44,400 of the story but the people that were 1583 01:05:48,140 --> 01:05:45,900 were completely reputable and he would 1584 01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:48,150 believe what they had to say and then he 1585 01:05:51,260 --> 01:05:49,920 would finish a conversation by winking 1586 01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:51,270 at you and say there's a lot more out 1587 01:05:56,990 --> 01:05:53,250 there than you know that i can tell you 1588 01:06:00,590 --> 01:05:57,000 kind of thing and before this before 1589 01:06:03,170 --> 01:06:00,600 Stanton came along you said it was 1590 01:06:04,820 --> 01:06:03,180 before your time and all that but was 1591 01:06:08,090 --> 01:06:04,830 your grandfather actually talking about 1592 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:08,100 this to your father yeah within our 1593 01:06:16,850 --> 01:06:12,090 family we talked about it as an is an 1594 01:06:18,380 --> 01:06:16,860 idea my my father when this is when he 1595 01:06:19,820 --> 01:06:18,390 had this experience in this this is one 1596 01:06:24,350 --> 01:06:19,830 of the things that it makes me believe 1597 01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:24,360 in Roswell is that a really smart guy it 1598 01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:26,400 changed his life yeah other than being a 1599 01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:28,410 medical doctor I've been one morning 1600 01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:30,240 when I was a young child he walked out 1601 01:06:33,980 --> 01:06:32,610 the back door with a shovel and started 1602 01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:33,990 digging a hole in the ground that turned 1603 01:06:37,790 --> 01:06:36,240 into a really big observatory there's 1604 01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:37,800 the biggest in Montana he hunt up to 1605 01:06:42,500 --> 01:06:40,050 hand dug the hole pour the concrete did 1606 01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:42,510 even made the made it home and 1607 01:06:46,430 --> 01:06:44,640 everything and then ground the mirror 1608 01:06:48,380 --> 01:06:46,440 did he did everything but his whole 1609 01:06:50,060 --> 01:06:48,390 thing was he wanted to get back to the 1610 01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:50,070 stars he wanted to get back to what he 1611 01:06:57,740 --> 01:06:54,240 saw as a child and it had that kind of 1612 01:06:59,210 --> 01:06:57,750 impact on him that he and and it is 1613 01:07:00,349 --> 01:06:59,220 later life he'd move it you know he'd 1614 01:07:01,940 --> 01:07:00,359 move again then 1615 01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:01,950 and they have built an observatory by 1616 01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:04,799 that house so what happened to him when 1617 01:07:11,089 --> 01:07:07,890 he was 12 or 11 to 12 is what's really 1618 01:07:15,170 --> 01:07:11,099 it carried through his whole life Wow 1619 01:07:17,420 --> 01:07:15,180 now just on the message board the people 1620 01:07:19,220 --> 01:07:17,430 want to see that image that you 1621 01:07:21,499 --> 01:07:19,230 mentioned so make sure make yourself a 1622 01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:21,509 note right now okay so you can send that 1623 01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:24,089 to me now i'll post that upon in our 1624 01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:26,130 show notes as well as on our Facebook 1625 01:07:30,140 --> 01:07:29,039 page I'd be very happy to if you don't 1626 01:07:32,749 --> 01:07:30,150 mind here on the right in the background 1627 01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:32,759 I will no color I have a couple of my 1628 01:07:38,539 --> 01:07:36,480 radio we can do this so i have two 1629 01:07:39,650 --> 01:07:38,549 colorized versions ones he's looking 1630 01:07:41,630 --> 01:07:39,660 left and wayne he's looking right there 1631 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:41,640 I everybody's seen him before if you're 1632 01:07:45,289 --> 01:07:43,410 in this interest in this guy thing but 1633 01:07:48,140 --> 01:07:45,299 sure i will be happy i'll get both of 1634 01:07:50,269 --> 01:07:48,150 those to you and any other rocket what 1635 01:07:53,450 --> 01:07:50,279 like little interesting things like out 1636 01:07:55,370 --> 01:07:53,460 the window there green trees which is 1637 01:07:56,930 --> 01:07:55,380 kind of interesting and then if you 1638 01:07:59,779 --> 01:07:56,940 actually go to the base those trees 1639 01:08:01,279 --> 01:07:59,789 aren't there I you know for whatever did 1640 01:08:02,930 --> 01:08:01,289 but they when you enhance the picture 1641 01:08:04,279 --> 01:08:02,940 I'm they're definitely there so it there 1642 01:08:05,870 --> 01:08:04,289 are a couple of things that maybe I'll 1643 01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:05,880 learn a little bit out of line and I'm 1644 01:08:10,670 --> 01:08:08,130 not quite you know of the story so I'm 1645 01:08:13,549 --> 01:08:10,680 not quite sure what that means but now 1646 01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:13,559 getting back I want to just go back one 1647 01:08:17,809 --> 01:08:15,720 more time on talking about the document 1648 01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:17,819 that your grandfather was actually 1649 01:08:22,879 --> 01:08:19,679 holding in his hand when he was holding 1650 01:08:26,180 --> 01:08:22,889 the debris did he remember reading that 1651 01:08:28,729 --> 01:08:26,190 threw himself you know I did not have 1652 01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:28,739 the discussion with him yeah we did that 1653 01:08:34,970 --> 01:08:32,880 now if we if we go forward my father was 1654 01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:34,980 greatly excited about that about that 1655 01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:37,409 document he my father thought that was 1656 01:08:43,519 --> 01:08:40,770 very very significant I do I I think it 1657 01:08:45,859 --> 01:08:43,529 is III think it is too in my and 1658 01:08:47,059 --> 01:08:45,869 obviously my you know father and 1659 01:08:50,300 --> 01:08:47,069 grandfather talk to every sunday morning 1660 01:08:51,979 --> 01:08:50,310 for decades and I'm thinking you know I 1661 01:08:55,789 --> 01:08:51,989 was party to that individual 1662 01:08:58,669 --> 01:08:55,799 conversation but but you know I can 1663 01:09:01,010 --> 01:08:58,679 surmise that the two have had the two of 1664 01:09:02,899 --> 01:09:01,020 them had a conversation and I know my 1665 01:09:04,910 --> 01:09:02,909 father believed it I mean he thought it 1666 01:09:06,829 --> 01:09:04,920 was a he thought it was a great fine and 1667 01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:06,839 it made complete sense to him anyway 1668 01:09:13,309 --> 01:09:11,040 mm-hmm now how did they feel about or I 1669 01:09:15,559 --> 01:09:13,319 don't know how long you 1670 01:09:18,019 --> 01:09:15,569 her grandfather was around but how did 1671 01:09:20,539 --> 01:09:18,029 you at least your father feel about when 1672 01:09:22,999 --> 01:09:20,549 the air force came out I think was in 97 1673 01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:23,009 and they came out with another story 1674 01:09:28,519 --> 01:09:26,250 about what Roswell was and you know the 1675 01:09:31,819 --> 01:09:28,529 crash test dummies and you know the 1676 01:09:34,609 --> 01:09:31,829 mogul balloon and and all that well you 1677 01:09:36,829 --> 01:09:34,619 know a couple of facets one you know 1678 01:09:38,839 --> 01:09:36,839 about being the mogul balloon but my 1679 01:09:41,660 --> 01:09:38,849 grandfather went through radar training 1680 01:09:43,579 --> 01:09:41,670 school right before this happened he 1681 01:09:45,050 --> 01:09:43,589 would have been made aware of the the 1682 01:09:49,339 --> 01:09:45,060 Rowan targets and a mogul balloon 1683 01:09:53,149 --> 01:09:49,349 project so you know it just doesn't 1684 01:09:56,689 --> 01:09:53,159 really jive very well my father i would 1685 01:09:58,970 --> 01:09:56,699 say got upset but just this is nonsense 1686 01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:58,980 you know the crash test dummies coming 1687 01:10:02,510 --> 01:10:00,480 out in the 50s and that sort of thing I 1688 01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:02,520 think anyone that's like you know how 1689 01:10:06,169 --> 01:10:04,710 can we be that stupid to miss that many 1690 01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:06,179 years of our life you know that kind of 1691 01:10:11,209 --> 01:10:08,369 thing to say just none of it really fit 1692 01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:11,219 very well it was it was it was very well 1693 01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:12,719 done it wasn't like it was a hundred 1694 01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:14,489 percent either there's parts of their 1695 01:10:19,220 --> 01:10:17,040 factual down in the report 97 but being 1696 01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:19,230 a mogul balloon it didn't fit the bill 1697 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:22,320 the crash test dummies were not even 1698 01:10:27,740 --> 01:10:25,530 possible mm-hmm but did that get them 1699 01:10:30,260 --> 01:10:27,750 upset you know when when they would come 1700 01:10:32,689 --> 01:10:30,270 out with these type of things the lies I 1701 01:10:36,319 --> 01:10:32,699 think Stanton Friedman says there they 1702 01:10:40,220 --> 01:10:36,329 the Air Force lied four times yes you 1703 01:10:43,580 --> 01:10:40,230 know it the only time I saw my father 1704 01:10:45,229 --> 01:10:43,590 get visibly upset about this is there 1705 01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:45,239 was a point in time in which the Air 1706 01:10:50,839 --> 01:10:47,310 Force denied my grandfather as ever 1707 01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:50,849 being in the military oh and that upset 1708 01:10:54,589 --> 01:10:53,369 my father greatly where they said that 1709 01:10:57,020 --> 01:10:54,599 he has actually never even been in the 1710 01:10:59,330 --> 01:10:57,030 military and to all of us it was like 1711 01:11:02,300 --> 01:10:59,340 you know another nail in the coffin on 1712 01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:02,310 the reality of Roswell why in the women 1713 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:04,050 and how in the world would you try to 1714 01:11:08,209 --> 01:11:06,570 extinguish somebody's entire record that 1715 01:11:09,859 --> 01:11:08,219 just hang on to John Burroughs I don't 1716 01:11:11,930 --> 01:11:09,869 know if you heard this oh I know I 1717 01:11:14,540 --> 01:11:11,940 didn't yeah are you familiar with who he 1718 01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:14,550 is oh yes yes yeah so that just happened 1719 01:11:20,740 --> 01:11:17,250 to him that his records were like he was 1720 01:11:25,180 --> 01:11:20,750 never even in the military and that's 1721 01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:25,190 you know I back back at home back with 1722 01:11:28,350 --> 01:11:27,190 his wife Linda Marcy 1723 01:11:29,610 --> 01:11:28,360 well and really should be somebody 1724 01:11:32,670 --> 01:11:29,620 interesting to talk to you about my 1725 01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:32,680 father's widower but she'd probably a 1726 01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:34,449 lot of fun stories but they have some of 1727 01:11:37,709 --> 01:11:35,920 you know there's there's documents out 1728 01:11:39,090 --> 01:11:37,719 there that show my you know my 1729 01:11:41,370 --> 01:11:39,100 grandfather was obviously in the 1730 01:11:44,220 --> 01:11:41,380 military and that kind of thing so so 1731 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:44,230 I'm not quite sure why it seems to me 1732 01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:46,810 that it you know it's almost like when 1733 01:11:50,100 --> 01:11:48,400 the air force or the military camps on 1734 01:11:52,290 --> 01:11:50,110 studio is never in the military it's 1735 01:11:54,270 --> 01:11:52,300 almost adding fuel to the fire because 1736 01:11:55,410 --> 01:11:54,280 there's enough proof that he was mmm you 1737 01:11:58,050 --> 01:11:55,420 know it's like this release of documents 1738 01:11:59,520 --> 01:11:58,060 just came out what the do you hear in 1739 01:12:01,200 --> 01:11:59,530 your news you're just talking about they 1740 01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:01,210 were talking about the beginning there's 1741 01:12:05,250 --> 01:12:03,370 nothing about Roswell in it you know 1742 01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:05,260 it's like it's like where did where did 1743 01:12:09,060 --> 01:12:07,090 how did they scrub all the documents 1744 01:12:10,410 --> 01:12:09,070 when it comes to Roswell is that kind of 1745 01:12:14,070 --> 01:12:10,420 the beginning before that was even 1746 01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:14,080 wasn't project grunge or whatever was 1747 01:12:18,959 --> 01:12:16,480 called his project sign came on rocks 1748 01:12:21,330 --> 01:12:18,969 that's right sign and grunge so I mean 1749 01:12:22,530 --> 01:12:21,340 that they're there it woulda got without 1750 01:12:23,550 --> 01:12:22,540 you know there should have been so I 1751 01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:23,560 would have thought that have been 1752 01:12:26,700 --> 01:12:24,850 something through the years there was 1753 01:12:28,770 --> 01:12:26,710 this wasn't it wasn't over in 47 but 1754 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:28,780 there was there's nothing anything in 1755 01:12:31,410 --> 01:12:30,010 there what's it the Russell's I even 1756 01:12:33,150 --> 01:12:31,420 really mentioned and they did their own 1757 01:12:35,189 --> 01:12:33,160 studies I mean it is and it's not like 1758 01:12:36,689 --> 01:12:35,199 it's not public information but to 1759 01:12:38,220 --> 01:12:36,699 saying their public information didn't 1760 01:12:40,590 --> 01:12:38,230 exist in these documents they released 1761 01:12:43,530 --> 01:12:40,600 it just I said it it's kind of a 1762 01:12:45,450 --> 01:12:43,540 head-scratcher right right really but 1763 01:12:49,140 --> 01:12:45,460 maybe maybe not maybe it's just obvious 1764 01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:49,150 you know there's if I go back and just 1765 01:12:54,330 --> 01:12:50,800 the talk off top my head for a few 1766 01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:54,340 minutes about Roswell about if we boil 1767 01:12:58,530 --> 01:12:55,930 it down to the facts the ones that are 1768 01:13:00,959 --> 01:12:58,540 undeniable yeah you know you know one 1769 01:13:02,340 --> 01:13:00,969 did something happen in 47 yes you know 1770 01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:02,350 something out in a farmer's field ever 1771 01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:04,390 seen a ranchers field yes happened did 1772 01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:05,890 my grandfather go out and pick up 1773 01:13:10,740 --> 01:13:07,330 something strange he couldn't figure out 1774 01:13:13,650 --> 01:13:10,750 what it was yes did my father handle it 1775 01:13:15,660 --> 01:13:13,660 yes was it some kind of technology to my 1776 01:13:18,330 --> 01:13:15,670 grandfather at at any point his life 1777 01:13:20,370 --> 01:13:18,340 could ever understand or my father no 1778 01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:20,380 they couldn't figure it out on the basis 1779 01:13:23,670 --> 01:13:21,489 they thought I was extraterrestrial 1780 01:13:25,020 --> 01:13:23,680 because the point that it seemed much 1781 01:13:29,189 --> 01:13:25,030 more advanced than we were capable of 1782 01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:29,199 creating they couldn't understand it did 1783 01:13:32,970 --> 01:13:31,510 it change my grandfather's life yes did 1784 01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:32,980 he changed my father's life yes like 1785 01:13:36,419 --> 01:13:34,690 said he devoted his life to a strong you 1786 01:13:38,490 --> 01:13:36,429 know outside of his medical practice to 1787 01:13:40,459 --> 01:13:38,500 astronomy and looking at the stars and 1788 01:13:43,649 --> 01:13:40,469 physics that kind of thing 1789 01:13:47,159 --> 01:13:43,659 it's just you know if you boil it down 1790 01:13:48,959 --> 01:13:47,169 to the some very basic facts and leave 1791 01:13:50,699 --> 01:13:48,969 everything else is speculation you know 1792 01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:50,709 I've even talked about it's like you 1793 01:13:54,839 --> 01:13:52,449 know for this thing now it would have 1794 01:13:57,569 --> 01:13:54,849 been such a conspiracy for my 1795 01:13:59,219 --> 01:13:57,579 grandfather my father Colonel Blanchard 1796 01:14:01,229 --> 01:13:59,229 everybody together to get together to 1797 01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:01,239 make up the ITO to create this whole 1798 01:14:05,999 --> 01:14:03,489 amazing story there was obviously you 1799 01:14:07,319 --> 01:14:06,009 know it anyway it's just it just it just 1800 01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:07,329 doesn't make sense if you just stay with 1801 01:14:10,889 --> 01:14:09,489 a few very simple facts and I'm saying 1802 01:14:11,999 --> 01:14:10,899 that for as a family member it's easy 1803 01:14:14,549 --> 01:14:12,009 for me to say I'm just because I was 1804 01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:14,559 involved on that level but they're just 1805 01:14:19,559 --> 01:14:16,449 there is if this was an extraterrestrial 1806 01:14:22,049 --> 01:14:19,569 it was a very advanced technology that 1807 01:14:24,109 --> 01:14:22,059 we have we didn't have back then and as 1808 01:14:27,689 --> 01:14:24,119 far as we know so we still have today 1809 01:14:30,809 --> 01:14:27,699 you know I think I I I don't know when I 1810 01:14:34,109 --> 01:14:30,819 talked to Tom carry or Don Schmidt for 1811 01:14:36,089 --> 01:14:34,119 Kevin Randall if I ever asked this 1812 01:14:39,629 --> 01:14:36,099 question but there seems to be some 1813 01:14:43,409 --> 01:14:39,639 confusion about the crash site in the 1814 01:14:45,209 --> 01:14:43,419 additional crash site can you kind of 1815 01:14:50,459 --> 01:14:45,219 like talk about that what you know about 1816 01:14:52,559 --> 01:14:50,469 that yeah when my grandfather he went 1817 01:14:56,189 --> 01:14:52,569 over and looked at the British sheriff's 1818 01:14:57,779 --> 01:14:56,199 office and and when he looked at the 1819 01:14:59,699 --> 01:14:57,789 debris said you already see me when they 1820 01:15:01,949 --> 01:14:59,709 the debris was looked at the Sheriff's 1821 01:15:04,079 --> 01:15:01,959 Office I apologize the sheriff couldn't 1822 01:15:07,849 --> 01:15:04,089 figure out what it was called a military 1823 01:15:10,289 --> 01:15:07,859 base and that's where Colonel blanchard 1824 01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:10,299 had my grandfather go there and take a 1825 01:15:13,979 --> 01:15:12,729 look at what they had and this is this 1826 01:15:17,129 --> 01:15:13,989 materials were brought in by the rancher 1827 01:15:19,109 --> 01:15:17,139 and it's any my graph I was like hi G 1828 01:15:20,519 --> 01:15:19,119 I'm clueless and that's where blood shed 1829 01:15:23,339 --> 01:15:20,529 blood well you know go out and take a 1830 01:15:26,999 --> 01:15:23,349 look he had a disinformation officer 1831 01:15:28,919 --> 01:15:27,009 went out and followed the rancher out to 1832 01:15:30,659 --> 01:15:28,929 his home spent the night and I got barn 1833 01:15:32,429 --> 01:15:30,669 next morning drove out to the site 1834 01:15:35,129 --> 01:15:32,439 that's the crash site that my 1835 01:15:39,179 --> 01:15:35,139 grandfather talks about a three-quarters 1836 01:15:41,189 --> 01:15:39,189 of a mile long looks like a fan of where 1837 01:15:42,359 --> 01:15:41,199 something hit the ground and left you 1838 01:15:45,319 --> 01:15:42,369 know various kinds of debris scattered 1839 01:15:48,179 --> 01:15:45,329 in a kind of like a triangle now a 1840 01:15:49,979 --> 01:15:48,189 number of miles away into the side of a 1841 01:15:53,100 --> 01:15:49,989 mountain side I mountains I'm like a 1842 01:15:56,939 --> 01:15:53,110 hillside there was another crash site 1843 01:15:59,790 --> 01:15:56,949 and this is where you're supposed to be 1844 01:16:03,330 --> 01:15:59,800 some kind of like a capsule that had the 1845 01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:03,340 aliens in it one was out of the craft 1846 01:16:06,990 --> 01:16:05,050 when was still inside the craft and when 1847 01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:07,000 today what didn't make the crash that 1848 01:16:10,649 --> 01:16:08,290 there might be more I'm not questioners 1849 01:16:14,399 --> 01:16:10,659 you know when it gets to that end the 1850 01:16:17,250 --> 01:16:14,409 story fact there were two crash sites 1851 01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:17,260 from my grandfather they would say yes 1852 01:16:20,580 --> 01:16:18,730 there was what I saw there was one that 1853 01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:20,590 the other people he worked with were 1854 01:16:26,609 --> 01:16:25,210 involved with you know as far as you 1855 01:16:28,260 --> 01:16:26,619 know what excited came out as far as 1856 01:16:29,820 --> 01:16:28,270 aliens that kind of thing it was it was 1857 01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:29,830 accepted by my grandfather that there 1858 01:16:33,930 --> 01:16:31,840 were you know was he directly involved 1859 01:16:35,790 --> 01:16:33,940 with that no but he accepted that there 1860 01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:35,800 was because it's because the people he 1861 01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:38,110 worked with on it completely agreed with 1862 01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:39,489 them that there was I'm there there is 1863 01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:43,449 kind of a funny story that and that when 1864 01:16:48,930 --> 01:16:45,250 my grandfather he flew over with some of 1865 01:16:51,180 --> 01:16:48,940 the debris to right and there there's a 1866 01:16:53,370 --> 01:16:51,190 joke about you know the others big box 1867 01:16:55,020 --> 01:16:53,380 all debris in it and something like a 1868 01:16:57,419 --> 01:16:55,030 hand or something fell out of it was 1869 01:16:59,250 --> 01:16:57,429 kicked back in the box it was some kind 1870 01:17:00,840 --> 01:16:59,260 of an alien of some kind but you know it 1871 01:17:05,850 --> 01:17:00,850 might be more story than anything else 1872 01:17:08,820 --> 01:17:05,860 but but mmhmm yeah that the whole thing 1873 01:17:12,140 --> 01:17:08,830 you know that part of it is just all 1874 01:17:15,149 --> 01:17:12,150 puzzling now for it to be I think I 1875 01:17:17,250 --> 01:17:15,159 think Stan Freeman at one time thought 1876 01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:17,260 there were two different vehicles that 1877 01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:20,530 collided other people have talked about 1878 01:17:25,620 --> 01:17:23,050 more or less the pod I've heard that 1879 01:17:27,950 --> 01:17:25,630 explanation you know like the size of a 1880 01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:27,960 Volkswagen Beetle or something like that 1881 01:17:37,500 --> 01:17:33,449 yeah and then there was the college 1882 01:17:40,530 --> 01:17:37,510 geological team that was out there that 1883 01:17:43,050 --> 01:17:40,540 saw the aliens supposedly in the 1884 01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:43,060 deathbed confession in Florida all that 1885 01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:45,040 I mean just yes just going on and on and 1886 01:17:52,620 --> 01:17:49,090 on it just seems like you know when when 1887 01:17:53,850 --> 01:17:52,630 you talk to oh say a skeptic I'm not 1888 01:17:55,740 --> 01:17:53,860 going to say it shrunk or will say a 1889 01:17:57,959 --> 01:17:55,750 skeptic okay sure they have they have 1890 01:18:01,620 --> 01:17:57,969 stories for every single thing you say 1891 01:18:03,419 --> 01:18:01,630 when it comes to this second sight you 1892 01:18:05,850 --> 01:18:03,429 know there's really not much they could 1893 01:18:06,420 --> 01:18:05,860 say because the only explanation they 1894 01:18:09,090 --> 01:18:06,430 have is 1895 01:18:11,900 --> 01:18:09,100 test dummies as far as I know yep that's 1896 01:18:14,220 --> 01:18:11,910 exactly true and what's interesting is 1897 01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:14,230 what I don't know why they even went 1898 01:18:18,420 --> 01:18:16,330 into it as far as saying there because 1899 01:18:20,490 --> 01:18:18,430 it by saying they're crash test dummies 1900 01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:20,500 there was admittedly a second sight 1901 01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:22,330 they're immediately saying that there 1902 01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:25,330 was aliens right it's like so why didn't 1903 01:18:29,820 --> 01:18:27,760 you just not say anything right I know 1904 01:18:31,410 --> 01:18:29,830 and why would you go through the efforts 1905 01:18:34,290 --> 01:18:31,420 of trying to explain something a 1906 01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:34,300 non-event it doesn't why would you go to 1907 01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:37,570 that effort I mean it really the the the 1908 01:18:42,210 --> 01:18:40,510 the plausible deniability of the the 1909 01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:42,220 military has kind of gone away i took 1910 01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:46,000 they again at the time the the the Mogul 1911 01:18:50,850 --> 01:18:48,850 project these balloons were a top secret 1912 01:18:52,050 --> 01:18:50,860 you know the materials that are on top 1913 01:18:54,300 --> 01:18:52,060 secret but they actually their purpose 1914 01:18:56,010 --> 01:18:54,310 was top secret and yet they splashed on 1915 01:18:58,740 --> 01:18:56,020 the front page of newspapers and a radio 1916 01:19:01,290 --> 01:18:58,750 and television because of you know to 1917 01:19:02,970 --> 01:19:01,300 say that roswell the UFO incident never 1918 01:19:04,890 --> 01:19:02,980 happened it's like you know again it's 1919 01:19:06,420 --> 01:19:04,900 not i'm not saying anything that a bee 1920 01:19:08,220 --> 01:19:06,430 doesn't already know but you know it's 1921 01:19:11,850 --> 01:19:08,230 just it just doesn't make any sense and 1922 01:19:15,300 --> 01:19:11,860 it can't make sense hmm yeah yeah now i 1923 01:19:18,930 --> 01:19:15,310 know it makes it even more solid as a 1924 01:19:22,050 --> 01:19:18,940 case in my opinion now did your father 1925 01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:22,060 or grandfather get a lot of ridicule 1926 01:19:30,270 --> 01:19:26,800 about this no you know it from inside 1927 01:19:32,340 --> 01:19:30,280 our family now there were things i can't 1928 01:19:34,260 --> 01:19:32,350 remember the skeptic there was one it 1929 01:19:37,500 --> 01:19:34,270 was really tough on my grandfather and 1930 01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:37,510 father saying that he tried to disagree 1931 01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:39,040 he couldn't discredit the story so we 1932 01:19:44,730 --> 01:19:42,370 try to discredit the people and but his 1933 01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:44,740 methodology you know it is typical if 1934 01:19:49,140 --> 01:19:47,050 you get somebody that's a little bit you 1935 01:19:51,330 --> 01:19:49,150 know I scared her shout or whatever yeah 1936 01:19:54,480 --> 01:19:51,340 I remember these things coming out of my 1937 01:19:58,080 --> 01:19:54,490 father when my father grew up with he 1938 01:20:00,390 --> 01:19:58,090 used to ride motorcycles he was a used 1939 01:20:02,490 --> 01:20:00,400 to climb the Tetons you know he was a 1940 01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:02,500 very outdoors outdoor sportsman very 1941 01:20:06,090 --> 01:20:04,090 extreme I guess you could say and 1942 01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:06,100 they're always both who could some how 1943 01:20:09,090 --> 01:20:07,330 can you trust them it rides a motorcycle 1944 01:20:10,830 --> 01:20:09,100 and that's the kind of stuff that would 1945 01:20:12,540 --> 01:20:10,840 come out so it was just garbage I didn't 1946 01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:12,550 it's like those are the points that 1947 01:20:17,250 --> 01:20:15,370 people can use because really with my 1948 01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:17,260 father and grandfather anyway you know 1949 01:20:21,779 --> 01:20:19,449 they're pretty spotless 1950 01:20:23,729 --> 01:20:21,789 my my grandfather was elevated to occur 1951 01:20:25,799 --> 01:20:23,739 in a lot longer not long after Roswell 1952 01:20:27,839 --> 01:20:25,809 he was involved in the you know baby 1953 01:20:29,339 --> 01:20:27,849 bikini beach and you know the testing of 1954 01:20:32,250 --> 01:20:29,349 nuclear bomb I mean he was still 1955 01:20:35,699 --> 01:20:32,260 involved in everything and it just like 1956 01:20:38,969 --> 01:20:35,709 I said if you add it up just it dick he 1957 01:20:41,339 --> 01:20:38,979 can't make sense other than you know the 1958 01:20:42,930 --> 01:20:41,349 only like like my father would say you 1959 01:20:44,580 --> 01:20:42,940 know ok you know maybe it wasn't 1960 01:20:46,259 --> 01:20:44,590 extraterrestrial but if it wasn't them 1961 01:20:48,719 --> 01:20:46,269 what the heck was it you know it's like 1962 01:20:50,489 --> 01:20:48,729 it's it's it's it's the simplest answer 1963 01:20:52,350 --> 01:20:50,499 actually we just you know sounds kind of 1964 01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:52,360 crazy but it's the only answer that 1965 01:20:55,890 --> 01:20:54,880 really fits you know there's a forgot 1966 01:20:57,419 --> 01:20:55,900 there's a book that came out a little 1967 01:20:59,129 --> 01:20:57,429 while ago saying oh we finally have 1968 01:21:01,290 --> 01:20:59,139 confirmation it was not see it was 1969 01:21:04,410 --> 01:21:01,300 Hitler they cracked me out there for us 1970 01:21:08,939 --> 01:21:04,420 to find it you know it was a woman that 1971 01:21:11,729 --> 01:21:08,949 wrote that yes if that was true why 1972 01:21:14,069 --> 01:21:11,739 would my father and grandfather continue 1973 01:21:16,169 --> 01:21:14,079 on a lie through the end of their lives 1974 01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:16,179 I just even within our family okay you 1975 01:21:20,219 --> 01:21:18,249 know let's just say that every is right 1976 01:21:21,540 --> 01:21:20,229 out there just looking for the spotlight 1977 01:21:23,489 --> 01:21:21,550 we just nowhere even close to being true 1978 01:21:24,509 --> 01:21:23,499 but just saying if that was true what 1979 01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:24,519 you know what do you think they would 1980 01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:26,050 actually it doesn't make sense where 1981 01:21:30,209 --> 01:21:27,760 they lie within their family to their 1982 01:21:32,250 --> 01:21:30,219 kids and their grandkids about this I 1983 01:21:35,370 --> 01:21:32,260 mean it was our family within our 1984 01:21:37,589 --> 01:21:35,380 families never it is the story has never 1985 01:21:40,529 --> 01:21:37,599 changed you know the basics of it have 1986 01:21:43,140 --> 01:21:40,539 never changed and that is like growing 1987 01:21:45,299 --> 01:21:43,150 up I completely and from my grandfather 1988 01:21:47,219 --> 01:21:45,309 and father believe there's life on other 1989 01:21:50,279 --> 01:21:47,229 planets and there's other kids just like 1990 01:21:51,810 --> 01:21:50,289 me doing what I'm doing right now you 1991 01:21:54,540 --> 01:21:51,820 know and when I was child and that there 1992 01:21:58,100 --> 01:21:54,550 and we were never ever ito point in a 1993 01:22:00,270 --> 01:21:58,110 different direction yeah yeah i think 1994 01:22:03,299 --> 01:22:00,280 you know we were talking earlier in the 1995 01:22:04,979 --> 01:22:03,309 news you know microbial life i think at 1996 01:22:07,410 --> 01:22:04,989 least that will be discovered fairly 1997 01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:07,420 soon that it's some extraterrestrial 1998 01:22:13,799 --> 01:22:11,199 life I just you know it's gay it just 1999 01:22:17,129 --> 01:22:13,809 feels like it's getting so close I I do 2000 01:22:20,009 --> 01:22:17,139 too i mean there is ido as skeptical 2001 01:22:22,109 --> 01:22:20,019 evidence on a meteorite from the did you 2002 01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:22,119 know did it something hit Mars and then 2003 01:22:25,620 --> 01:22:24,130 bounce off and end up and hitting the 2004 01:22:28,319 --> 01:22:25,630 earth that it shows some you know 2005 01:22:29,939 --> 01:22:28,329 fossilized microbial life if that was a 2006 01:22:31,259 --> 01:22:29,949 rock that we found on our planet that 2007 01:22:32,100 --> 01:22:31,269 was actually from here that we could 2008 01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:32,110 determine that way and have this 2009 01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:33,040 evidence we 2010 01:22:36,420 --> 01:22:35,170 think it was microbial life we only come 2011 01:22:37,950 --> 01:22:36,430 in a question because we know it wasn't 2012 01:22:39,870 --> 01:22:37,960 it from here was where it's comes to a 2013 01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:39,880 different standard but I have no doubt 2014 01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:41,920 and I don't you know there's water on 2015 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:47,410 Mars 80 I have no you know there is you 2016 01:22:51,990 --> 01:22:49,690 know form even microbial life even if 2017 01:22:54,420 --> 01:22:52,000 it's now you know been a million years 2018 01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:54,430 or whatever would be there was i have 2019 01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:56,290 i'm really excited you know we're all 2020 01:22:59,790 --> 01:22:57,730 hyped up about some of the moons around 2021 01:23:01,260 --> 01:22:59,800 jupiter that are covered in ice with 2022 01:23:03,300 --> 01:23:01,270 flowing water I mean there's gonna be a 2023 01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:03,310 plane and we're so gonna drop you know 2024 01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:05,050 they land on when a little things drop 2025 01:23:08,220 --> 01:23:06,310 something down I wouldn't be surprised 2026 01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,230 at all if someone's coming by and we 2027 01:23:13,020 --> 01:23:10,480 shouldn't be surprised you know there's 2028 01:23:16,110 --> 01:23:13,030 there's some if you look at some of the 2029 01:23:17,820 --> 01:23:16,120 latest ideas behind life you know if you 2030 01:23:20,100 --> 01:23:17,830 take the religious component out of it I 2031 01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:20,110 i I'm a very spiritual person but I'm 2032 01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:23,440 saying there had to be a methodology for 2033 01:23:30,030 --> 01:23:26,530 life to exist and they're looking at the 2034 01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:30,040 way that matter exhales energy can or 2035 01:23:34,710 --> 01:23:32,650 cannot create life and if you look at 2036 01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:34,720 some basic processes that were put into 2037 01:23:39,180 --> 01:23:37,090 motion you can understand where life and 2038 01:23:40,710 --> 01:23:39,190 how life existed our planet and why it 2039 01:23:41,940 --> 01:23:40,720 would exist everywhere there's 2040 01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:41,950 absolutely no reason why it wouldn't 2041 01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:44,170 exist everywhere you know you know the 2042 01:23:47,790 --> 01:23:45,760 odds are completely opposite it's like 2043 01:23:49,860 --> 01:23:47,800 the odds of not having life out there 2044 01:23:52,430 --> 01:23:49,870 are would be ridiculous not the opposite 2045 01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:52,440 way I think eventually it would be like 2046 01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:55,330 when they used to think that everything 2047 01:23:59,520 --> 01:23:57,730 went around the working the earth yeah 2048 01:24:00,780 --> 01:23:59,530 exactly thing orbited the earth that's 2049 01:24:03,480 --> 01:24:00,790 just the way it is I think eventually 2050 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:03,490 will be just like that like will all say 2051 01:24:07,530 --> 01:24:05,770 oh yes of course is life out there we we 2052 01:24:09,150 --> 01:24:07,540 know there is now you know it's going to 2053 01:24:11,670 --> 01:24:09,160 be just accepted there's not going to be 2054 01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:11,680 like turmoil in the world because of 2055 01:24:15,210 --> 01:24:14,170 that I don't think no I agree yeah it's 2056 01:24:17,070 --> 01:24:15,220 just like they're going to look at us 2057 01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:17,080 like we're Flatlanders like we believed 2058 01:24:20,700 --> 01:24:18,490 the earth was flat at that time maybe 2059 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:20,710 that you know the 500 years of thousands 2060 01:24:25,710 --> 01:24:23,530 but yeah it is it's going to be in the 2061 01:24:26,940 --> 01:24:25,720 vernacular of our culture that no 2062 01:24:28,050 --> 01:24:26,950 there's life and it you know there's 2063 01:24:30,150 --> 01:24:28,060 gonna be a certain point where 2064 01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:30,160 technologically will probably be you 2065 01:24:34,500 --> 01:24:32,050 know very open about communication and 2066 01:24:37,790 --> 01:24:34,510 that kind of thing and it's going to be 2067 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:37,800 exciting yeah yeah I can't I can't wait 2068 01:24:45,020 --> 01:24:42,970 now getting back to your grandfather yes 2069 01:24:47,839 --> 01:24:45,030 and Roswell did he ever 2070 01:24:50,419 --> 01:24:47,849 have the opportunity to speak to anybody 2071 01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:50,429 else now i'm not going to say while he 2072 01:24:56,990 --> 01:24:52,050 was in the service but I mean afterwards 2073 01:24:59,060 --> 01:24:57,000 after he retired she he didn't I you 2074 01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:59,070 know up until the earlier late 70s he 2075 01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:00,239 really didn't talk about much of it at 2076 01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:02,400 all publicly anyway no I'm sorry I 2077 01:25:09,529 --> 01:25:05,250 wasn't clear was he ever able to speak 2078 01:25:13,700 --> 01:25:09,539 to any other witnesses that's a very 2079 01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:13,710 good question hmm I you know I I really 2080 01:25:18,589 --> 01:25:16,770 I really I I wish I could answer for ya 2081 01:25:22,250 --> 01:25:18,599 in fact I'm gonna write that one down to 2082 01:25:25,310 --> 01:25:22,260 it and try to find out I I have I have a 2083 01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:25,320 sister and a brother and that are all 2084 01:25:29,569 --> 01:25:26,880 obviously this thing as much as I am and 2085 01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:29,579 and a couple of half sister others 2086 01:25:32,810 --> 01:25:31,199 there's a large part of our family so 2087 01:25:34,490 --> 01:25:32,820 i'll throw it out there and see if any 2088 01:25:37,129 --> 01:25:34,500 of anybody in there ever heard of that I 2089 01:25:41,569 --> 01:25:37,139 I don't recall that question coming up 2090 01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:41,579 quite honestly mm-hmm okay good now 2091 01:25:47,930 --> 01:25:44,250 let's talk about I sent you the link I 2092 01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:47,940 wanted to get your opinion on the slides 2093 01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:49,920 that are I think it's going to be 2094 01:25:54,740 --> 01:25:52,800 something like May 5th ha Meem asan down 2095 01:25:58,399 --> 01:25:54,750 in Mexico City it's time to have a 2096 01:26:00,740 --> 01:25:58,409 conference and he's going to reveal 2097 01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:00,750 these images it's going to try to make a 2098 01:26:07,399 --> 01:26:04,650 big you know big event out of it have 2099 01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:07,409 you thought about this or looked into 2100 01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:10,650 any any of this yeah well I be the fraud 2101 01:26:16,370 --> 01:26:12,210 honestly from the links you sent me I 2102 01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:16,380 look through it the good and the bad of 2103 01:26:21,169 --> 01:26:19,650 it in my opinion is is it you know it is 2104 01:26:25,700 --> 01:26:21,179 exciting they're gonna have a huge event 2105 01:26:27,410 --> 01:26:25,710 to bring it out I'm hoping that this 2106 01:26:29,180 --> 01:26:27,420 information is going to be available to 2107 01:26:31,149 --> 01:26:29,190 everybody you know examination of the 2108 01:26:33,890 --> 01:26:31,159 files the forensics behind them and 2109 01:26:36,169 --> 01:26:33,900 every possible test that can be possibly 2110 01:26:37,959 --> 01:26:36,179 done to try to debunk them and of course 2111 01:26:39,649 --> 01:26:37,969 the end result is that this actually 2112 01:26:41,839 --> 01:26:39,659 truthful that there might be something 2113 01:26:43,129 --> 01:26:41,849 to these I eat it it's not far-fetched 2114 01:26:45,589 --> 01:26:43,139 to think that something like this 2115 01:26:47,979 --> 01:26:45,599 doesn't exist in fact it would surprise 2116 01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:47,989 me that it if it didn't exist somewhere 2117 01:26:51,470 --> 01:26:50,130 and I'm not quite sure with the 2118 01:26:53,209 --> 01:26:51,480 relationship between the people who have 2119 01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:53,219 taken the pictures because my 2120 01:26:55,970 --> 01:26:54,449 grandfather would have never had the 2121 01:26:57,820 --> 01:26:55,980 ability to take these kind of pictures 2122 01:27:00,640 --> 01:26:57,830 and then save them 2123 01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:00,650 so you know however you know I'm not 2124 01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:02,570 quite sure where you know exactly how 2125 01:27:07,090 --> 01:27:04,400 they have originated but you know I 2126 01:27:09,130 --> 01:27:07,100 again I can't imagine at some point 2127 01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:09,140 somewhere someone would have taken a 2128 01:27:15,100 --> 01:27:12,890 picture too I i believe so too it's just 2129 01:27:18,010 --> 01:27:15,110 you know what what happens to them 2130 01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:18,020 afterwards and i'm not sure if you 2131 01:27:22,450 --> 01:27:20,330 listen to the news earlier when we were 2132 01:27:23,740 --> 01:27:22,460 talking about how these were found you 2133 01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:23,750 know separately wrapped carefully 2134 01:27:29,350 --> 01:27:27,290 wrapped yeah it you know it made this is 2135 01:27:31,180 --> 01:27:29,360 the kind of this is the waiver and get 2136 01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:31,190 more information about Roswell is some 2137 01:27:35,170 --> 01:27:33,290 find that just yeah someone kicks a box 2138 01:27:37,450 --> 01:27:35,180 and wow what's this you know it's it's 2139 01:27:41,770 --> 01:27:37,460 one of those things just just happens to 2140 01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:41,780 show up I mean for me I like the concept 2141 01:27:47,770 --> 01:27:45,530 of furthering proof of Roswell from my 2142 01:27:50,260 --> 01:27:47,780 standpoint I'm a hundred percent 2143 01:27:52,270 --> 01:27:50,270 committed to it so it adds fuel to the 2144 01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:52,280 fire for everywhere else of course you 2145 01:27:54,700 --> 01:27:53,360 know it's easier for me to say that I 2146 01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:54,710 believe in Roswell and what happened in 2147 01:27:58,660 --> 01:27:56,810 Roswell so I don't really even need to 2148 01:27:59,860 --> 01:27:58,670 see any more proof but obviously I'd 2149 01:28:02,800 --> 01:27:59,870 like to see more come out of it like 2150 01:28:04,420 --> 01:28:02,810 then maybe this is that that one thing 2151 01:28:07,510 --> 01:28:04,430 that's going to be changing what's 2152 01:28:10,450 --> 01:28:07,520 interesting though is that people in 2153 01:28:11,770 --> 01:28:10,460 general now and obviously people might 2154 01:28:15,070 --> 01:28:11,780 talk to me a little differently than 2155 01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:15,080 somebody else but are very accepting of 2156 01:28:18,700 --> 01:28:17,600 the idea of life on the planet you know 2157 01:28:20,170 --> 01:28:18,710 they've comes from somewhere else for 2158 01:28:22,270 --> 01:28:20,180 the idea that Rose was real or that 2159 01:28:24,220 --> 01:28:22,280 we're even as far as you know 2160 01:28:25,540 --> 01:28:24,230 communicating or where there's a lot 2161 01:28:27,070 --> 01:28:25,550 more going on there were made aware of 2162 01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:27,080 and people are very comfortable of that 2163 01:28:32,620 --> 01:28:29,930 so I it just it would give him more of a 2164 01:28:33,970 --> 01:28:32,630 I don't know hopefully in aha I was 2165 01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:33,980 right moment for a lot of the people 2166 01:28:38,460 --> 01:28:35,450 that are believers that are looking for 2167 01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:38,470 you know a little more proof but mm-hmm 2168 01:28:44,980 --> 01:28:41,510 yeah I mean for them to actually nail 2169 01:28:48,670 --> 01:28:44,990 down where this picture was taken and 2170 01:28:50,020 --> 01:28:48,680 all that and exactly the year you know 2171 01:28:52,660 --> 01:28:50,030 they're trying to make some ties to 2172 01:28:54,460 --> 01:28:52,670 Roswell with it but it makes sense i'm 2173 01:28:56,710 --> 01:28:54,470 nervous theorists there was supposed to 2174 01:28:58,240 --> 01:28:56,720 be some kind of crash in 1942 that I've 2175 01:29:00,700 --> 01:28:58,250 heard about I'm not familiar with 2176 01:29:03,010 --> 01:29:00,710 completely anyway you know sweet 2177 01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:03,020 everything points towards Roswell the 2178 01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:06,530 timing does and what's interesting is 2179 01:29:10,549 --> 01:29:08,810 the the other photos over with it or the 2180 01:29:13,250 --> 01:29:10,559 other slides are with it the 2181 01:29:14,599 --> 01:29:13,260 all seem to indicate you know that if if 2182 01:29:17,179 --> 01:29:14,609 it's a setup they done a very good job 2183 01:29:18,559 --> 01:29:17,189 but I I really in my heart I don't 2184 01:29:22,609 --> 01:29:18,569 believe that I think this is something 2185 01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:22,619 that's real mm-hmm now Don Schmidt told 2186 01:29:29,419 --> 01:29:26,159 me quietly about this i'm going to say 2187 01:29:31,129 --> 01:29:29,429 two years ago okay so this has been you 2188 01:29:33,469 --> 01:29:31,139 know kind of on the back burner I'm just 2189 01:29:36,619 --> 01:29:33,479 wondering why it's taken so long you 2190 01:29:38,839 --> 01:29:36,629 know to to present these and I know Tom 2191 01:29:41,419 --> 01:29:38,849 carry talked about it in november but 2192 01:29:43,699 --> 01:29:41,429 did not it made everyone upset because 2193 01:29:46,099 --> 01:29:43,709 he didn't show the pictures he just said 2194 01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:46,109 they're going to be the smoking gun is 2195 01:29:49,909 --> 01:29:47,760 going to be shown soon or something like 2196 01:29:53,149 --> 01:29:49,919 that the only unfortunate thing about 2197 01:29:55,759 --> 01:29:53,159 that is is that when i'm not quite sure 2198 01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:55,769 why you would do that it's like it what 2199 01:30:00,919 --> 01:29:59,280 it you know what building up there's 2200 01:30:03,079 --> 01:30:00,929 enough speculation about razos all you 2201 01:30:05,540 --> 01:30:03,089 got to try to build a backstory but you 2202 01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:05,550 know I'm it's a little bit limiting when 2203 01:30:10,369 --> 01:30:07,679 you have this I'm not gonna show it to 2204 01:30:13,699 --> 01:30:10,379 you for a while I have to me that's just 2205 01:30:15,529 --> 01:30:13,709 it from my science side it just doesn't 2206 01:30:17,629 --> 01:30:15,539 make a lot of sense why you do that it's 2207 01:30:20,089 --> 01:30:17,639 like this is this is for everybody you 2208 01:30:21,859 --> 01:30:20,099 know let's get this get this out there 2209 01:30:25,399 --> 01:30:21,869 this is possible do it let's see what 2210 01:30:27,290 --> 01:30:25,409 you know III have no idea about why you 2211 01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:27,300 would hold things back you know I'd get 2212 01:30:31,609 --> 01:30:29,489 a lot of grief from that yeah I would 2213 01:30:33,109 --> 01:30:31,619 think so it's the same thing as you know 2214 01:30:35,899 --> 01:30:33,119 there's there are some researchers out 2215 01:30:37,609 --> 01:30:35,909 there that work with you know that did 2216 01:30:38,899 --> 01:30:37,619 the original Roswell digs and those kind 2217 01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:38,909 of things they're always out there and 2218 01:30:42,290 --> 01:30:40,169 they're finding little pieces and parts 2219 01:30:43,459 --> 01:30:42,300 and they're doing the best to get them 2220 01:30:46,250 --> 01:30:43,469 get you know some of the things through 2221 01:30:48,529 --> 01:30:46,260 laboratories new tests and their data is 2222 01:30:49,909 --> 01:30:48,539 basically available on the spot they're 2223 01:30:51,949 --> 01:30:49,919 sharing with everybody whatever they 2224 01:30:53,779 --> 01:30:51,959 find they'll make it public as soon as 2225 01:30:55,939 --> 01:30:53,789 it as soon as they have tests out they 2226 01:30:58,369 --> 01:30:55,949 come out it's like and I think you're 2227 01:31:00,009 --> 01:30:58,379 sitting on something it just get kind of 2228 01:31:02,179 --> 01:31:00,019 it calls into question the authenticity 2229 01:31:04,129 --> 01:31:02,189 you know I it doesn't look like this is 2230 01:31:06,290 --> 01:31:04,139 not the authentic by any mean it looks 2231 01:31:09,709 --> 01:31:06,300 like it's authentic to me as an amateur 2232 01:31:10,639 --> 01:31:09,719 anyway but I it it just it's really it's 2233 01:31:12,020 --> 01:31:10,649 one of those things that should be 2234 01:31:15,369 --> 01:31:12,030 brought have been brought out it should 2235 01:31:17,149 --> 01:31:15,379 have been you know openly examinable by 2236 01:31:19,129 --> 01:31:17,159 professionals in every field it might 2237 01:31:20,060 --> 01:31:19,139 have any question or thought about these 2238 01:31:22,130 --> 01:31:20,070 so I 2239 01:31:24,260 --> 01:31:22,140 I'm sure that'll that'll be an eventual 2240 01:31:26,210 --> 01:31:24,270 process but there's there's enough 2241 01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:26,220 there's enough hype and mystery behind 2242 01:31:30,290 --> 01:31:28,050 you apology to start out with adding 2243 01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:30,300 another layers doesn't help you know 2244 01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:32,370 someone on the message board just made a 2245 01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:35,010 very good point and they just punched up 2246 01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:37,530 a bunch of dollar signs and that's yeah 2247 01:31:42,950 --> 01:31:40,050 I think this has happened the way it has 2248 01:31:46,490 --> 01:31:42,960 is because some why else would there be 2249 01:31:50,540 --> 01:31:46,500 a venue with 10,000 possibly people to 2250 01:31:52,190 --> 01:31:50,550 show up at to reveal these it's all well 2251 01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:52,200 I hate to say it but it's most likely 2252 01:31:58,130 --> 01:31:56,850 all about money it is i miss i guess you 2253 01:31:59,660 --> 01:31:58,140 know you build up the hype and you get 2254 01:32:01,310 --> 01:31:59,670 yeah i would think they'll probably pay 2255 01:32:03,500 --> 01:32:01,320 something to get the seats to be the 2256 01:32:05,990 --> 01:32:03,510 first people to see them I suppose so 2257 01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:06,000 that that is and unfortunately that in 2258 01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:10,010 their lies you know I can it may be very 2259 01:32:16,010 --> 01:32:13,110 easy for to this credit if that's your 2260 01:32:18,410 --> 01:32:16,020 purpose it's if you're trying to get 2261 01:32:20,510 --> 01:32:18,420 anyway just it just like I said adds 2262 01:32:22,430 --> 01:32:20,520 adds another level of frustration of 2263 01:32:26,450 --> 01:32:22,440 this whole thing you know it goes when I 2264 01:32:28,970 --> 01:32:26,460 could see just to to look at it and I on 2265 01:32:32,330 --> 01:32:28,980 a different angle here sure is okay so 2266 01:32:35,660 --> 01:32:32,340 this person ran estate sales they found 2267 01:32:37,970 --> 01:32:35,670 they get they found this box of slides 2268 01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:37,980 and pictures didn't look at it for ten 2269 01:32:43,550 --> 01:32:40,170 years starting to look at it found these 2270 01:32:46,130 --> 01:32:43,560 and then I kind of know how those people 2271 01:32:50,620 --> 01:32:46,140 operate because I'm in that I'm in that 2272 01:32:54,140 --> 01:32:50,630 business you know canteen fine art it's 2273 01:32:55,870 --> 01:32:54,150 they're always you know making money on 2274 01:32:58,940 --> 01:32:55,880 things they find that's what they do 2275 01:33:00,680 --> 01:32:58,950 sure I'm sure that mentality kicked in 2276 01:33:03,350 --> 01:33:00,690 right away well how can I make the most 2277 01:33:06,140 --> 01:33:03,360 money I have absolutely no interest in 2278 01:33:08,150 --> 01:33:06,150 UFOs no interest in aliens no interest 2279 01:33:11,330 --> 01:33:08,160 in any of that I have interested to make 2280 01:33:13,940 --> 01:33:11,340 making money and how can i make money 2281 01:33:17,930 --> 01:33:13,950 and where do I start you know I think 2282 01:33:20,540 --> 01:33:17,940 that's probably the true angle of this 2283 01:33:23,420 --> 01:33:20,550 whole situation and you can't really 2284 01:33:25,850 --> 01:33:23,430 blame someone that's on the outside that 2285 01:33:29,480 --> 01:33:25,860 doesn't really care about anything else 2286 01:33:30,740 --> 01:33:29,490 other than hey this is my cash cow you 2287 01:33:33,110 --> 01:33:30,750 know yeah and 2288 01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:33,120 right I mean it probably will approve 2289 01:33:37,100 --> 01:33:34,730 probably will prove out to be very uh 2290 01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:37,110 yeah they'll probably well yeah and 2291 01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:39,090 you're right i mean I i would also 2292 01:33:42,500 --> 01:33:40,650 strike it up to that too it just it's 2293 01:33:44,150 --> 01:33:42,510 it's too bad but it's probably the 2294 01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:44,160 reality that we live in is it you know 2295 01:33:49,460 --> 01:33:46,290 it is it's a it could be a very very 2296 01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:49,470 valuable fine to somebody so yeah yeah 2297 01:33:54,380 --> 01:33:51,450 I'm really hope I'm really hoping 2298 01:33:56,900 --> 01:33:54,390 they'll allow and you know the the 2299 01:33:58,700 --> 01:33:56,910 doubters have the ability to really do 2300 01:34:00,830 --> 01:33:58,710 some screening tests that you know they 2301 01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:00,840 build ability to look at them too and do 2302 01:34:05,630 --> 01:34:03,090 some testing I know that what they've 2303 01:34:09,970 --> 01:34:05,640 done so far is that there they say the 2304 01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:09,980 film the cardboard and all that is is 2305 01:34:16,820 --> 01:34:13,890 right for the age and all that but well 2306 01:34:20,660 --> 01:34:16,830 I'm also in a business where people fake 2307 01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:20,670 a lot of things and you know you can 2308 01:34:28,370 --> 01:34:24,410 very easily find blank documents of 2309 01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:28,380 civil war-era paper it's around you know 2310 01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:30,810 you find a bunch of paper and well you 2311 01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:32,930 can find something from the 1860's and 2312 01:34:37,670 --> 01:34:35,040 all of a sudden it has an Abraham 2313 01:34:40,700 --> 01:34:37,680 Lincoln's signature on these everything 2314 01:34:44,930 --> 01:34:40,710 happened so you know this would have to 2315 01:34:47,330 --> 01:34:44,940 be really studied in my opinion I'm very 2316 01:34:48,980 --> 01:34:47,340 optimistic that it's something fantastic 2317 01:34:51,290 --> 01:34:48,990 but yeah you got you a you have to you 2318 01:34:52,970 --> 01:34:51,300 know it could it could turn up in time 2319 01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:52,980 to be a you know a fake or a fraud but 2320 01:35:00,850 --> 01:34:56,250 time will test it so yeah well also i 2321 01:35:04,610 --> 01:35:00,860 hope they really do you study it very 2322 01:35:06,710 --> 01:35:04,620 seriously because I'm you know really we 2323 01:35:08,750 --> 01:35:06,720 would look absolutely ridiculous if we 2324 01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:08,760 came out with something that was fraud 2325 01:35:13,970 --> 01:35:11,970 again I it does it unfortunately it 2326 01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:13,980 would add fuel to the fire there are in 2327 01:35:19,070 --> 01:35:17,490 the wrong direction like I'm very 2328 01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:19,080 comfortable and believing that there's a 2329 01:35:23,210 --> 01:35:20,250 lot of things are going on out there 2330 01:35:26,450 --> 01:35:23,220 happened out there and that that this 2331 01:35:28,550 --> 01:35:26,460 doesn't this this to me either I don't 2332 01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:28,560 need a smoking gun for proof to believe 2333 01:35:32,330 --> 01:35:30,690 in it but for those people to do around 2334 01:35:34,100 --> 01:35:32,340 the fence this would definitely go back 2335 01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:34,110 to that category again ah just a bunch 2336 01:35:39,260 --> 01:35:36,770 of people trying to you know whatever so 2337 01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:39,270 yeah I hope and pray this turns out to 2338 01:35:43,580 --> 01:35:41,280 be here comes through as at the very 2339 01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:43,590 least it can't be proved that is not 2340 01:35:46,770 --> 01:35:44,410 authentic 2341 01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:46,780 yeah well for a long time the alien 2342 01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:50,320 autopsy film was thought to be you know 2343 01:35:55,620 --> 01:35:53,170 authentic and you know so yeah they've 2344 01:35:57,510 --> 01:35:55,630 already been bit once once or twice by 2345 01:35:59,700 --> 01:35:57,520 things so hopefully this won't be 2346 01:36:01,710 --> 01:35:59,710 another one up on the message board 2347 01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:01,720 someone would like you to comment on 2348 01:36:07,980 --> 01:36:04,810 your own book regarding Roswell what 2349 01:36:10,020 --> 01:36:07,990 information is in your book that was 2350 01:36:14,580 --> 01:36:10,030 omitted from your grandfather's book or 2351 01:36:17,250 --> 01:36:14,590 Stanton Friedman's book mine is just a 2352 01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:17,260 lit I'm willing to like well let's see 2353 01:36:21,090 --> 01:36:19,570 that there was my my grandfather never 2354 01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:21,100 wrote a book we have some notes the book 2355 01:36:25,110 --> 01:36:22,330 you spend together but it never came out 2356 01:36:26,460 --> 01:36:25,120 my father put together a book and I was 2357 01:36:30,450 --> 01:36:26,470 I was with him when he was through that 2358 01:36:34,020 --> 01:36:30,460 process and then he was very which I 2359 01:36:37,410 --> 01:36:34,030 appreciate he yeah it's just the facts 2360 01:36:39,390 --> 01:36:37,420 ma'am you know just very specific not 2361 01:36:41,070 --> 01:36:39,400 going out of the box not allowing for 2362 01:36:44,460 --> 01:36:41,080 contemplation of what things could have 2363 01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:44,470 met my book goes through the events and 2364 01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:46,090 the conspiracies that surrounded 2365 01:36:52,500 --> 01:36:49,450 everything but also and I add in you 2366 01:36:54,330 --> 01:36:52,510 know that when this happened this is how 2367 01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:54,340 our family looked at or talked about it 2368 01:36:58,440 --> 01:36:56,170 so it's kind of an inside look to the 2369 01:37:00,210 --> 01:36:58,450 little elements of these things that 2370 01:37:01,650 --> 01:37:00,220 happened so it's kind of like a little 2371 01:37:04,500 --> 01:37:01,660 bit a little more person a little more 2372 01:37:07,050 --> 01:37:04,510 of an inside it reads more like a you 2373 01:37:09,930 --> 01:37:07,060 know some of these UFO books read more 2374 01:37:12,750 --> 01:37:09,940 like history textbooks and very bland 2375 01:37:14,340 --> 01:37:12,760 this reads I'm hoping a little more 2376 01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:14,350 interesting a little more flavor to it a 2377 01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:16,330 little more fun of a more fun read but 2378 01:37:21,870 --> 01:37:19,090 it because it is a little more there's a 2379 01:37:23,300 --> 01:37:21,880 little more personal yeah I'm gonna have 2380 01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:23,310 to read the book I would like to read it 2381 01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:26,170 let me know drop one of the mail to you 2382 01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:27,970 in fact we have an e-book I can just 2383 01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:30,210 email it to you if you want and so yeah 2384 01:37:39,470 --> 01:37:34,890 now I just had a question it just just 2385 01:37:43,020 --> 01:37:39,480 vaporized from my mind I'm sorry so 2386 01:37:46,440 --> 01:37:43,030 there is one up on the message board 2387 01:37:51,110 --> 01:37:46,450 thankfully do you feel compelled by the 2388 01:37:57,500 --> 01:37:56,070 yes and no I and that's and I haven't 2389 01:37:59,570 --> 01:37:57,510 been in this in us nearly 2390 01:38:02,360 --> 01:37:59,580 long as a lot of folks out there I have 2391 01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:02,370 a you know since you know I've probably 2392 01:38:07,220 --> 01:38:04,530 been really serious about you know being 2393 01:38:09,620 --> 01:38:07,230 more public about this for maybe a 9 2394 01:38:12,290 --> 01:38:09,630 years 10 years something like that but 2395 01:38:15,530 --> 01:38:12,300 there's a certain point at which one can 2396 01:38:18,620 --> 01:38:15,540 get very burnt out mm-hmm and I hate 2397 01:38:20,570 --> 01:38:18,630 this III have some speed engagements 2398 01:38:24,260 --> 01:38:20,580 coming up and excited to go to those but 2399 01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:24,270 I'm trying to rein things in a little 2400 01:38:30,290 --> 01:38:27,570 bit too you know more look at things 2401 01:38:33,170 --> 01:38:30,300 through the eyes of a scientist more not 2402 01:38:35,180 --> 01:38:33,180 not be given to so much fancy you know 2403 01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:35,190 like everything's going on to Mars I do 2404 01:38:39,410 --> 01:38:37,440 some some amazing evidence up there 2405 01:38:41,930 --> 01:38:39,420 there's some amazing things going on but 2406 01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:41,940 I like to stick more with what we're 2407 01:38:46,370 --> 01:38:44,010 finding than thinking that well no 2408 01:38:49,100 --> 01:38:46,380 there's a whole you know there's fields 2409 01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:49,110 of blowing green trees on Mars right now 2410 01:38:53,690 --> 01:38:51,450 and it's like you know I'm not saying 2411 01:38:55,820 --> 01:38:53,700 that that's not possible but it's just 2412 01:38:57,140 --> 01:38:55,830 there's no evidence of it and it's kinda 2413 01:38:58,730 --> 01:38:57,150 like so it's because i'm gonna try to 2414 01:39:01,010 --> 01:38:58,740 real things in a little bit about what 2415 01:39:02,900 --> 01:39:01,020 i'm doing and try to get a little bit 2416 01:39:05,450 --> 01:39:02,910 less on the fringe and more towards the 2417 01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:05,460 middle mm-hmm mm-hmm it's that make 2418 01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:08,250 sense it's just I know there's some very 2419 01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:09,690 fascinating stories out there but I'm 2420 01:39:13,610 --> 01:39:11,850 trying to I'm it's someone like 2421 01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:13,620 Roswell's kind of a base that I can leap 2422 01:39:17,540 --> 01:39:15,570 from and try to do some more following 2423 01:39:19,550 --> 01:39:17,550 about it I am lucky enough to be tied to 2424 01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:19,560 some very some brilliant people that 2425 01:39:24,350 --> 01:39:23,040 want to do some work there's there's 2426 01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:24,360 there's a number of crash sites around 2427 01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:26,400 the world we're going to go out and do 2428 01:39:31,580 --> 01:39:28,890 an archaeological dig and and go by the 2429 01:39:33,170 --> 01:39:31,590 book and in work with the government's 2430 01:39:36,290 --> 01:39:33,180 and we're putting that together and that 2431 01:39:38,420 --> 01:39:36,300 and that should be a lot of fun and and 2432 01:39:40,090 --> 01:39:38,430 just bike in Argentina where they 2433 01:39:42,050 --> 01:39:40,100 actually have the debris from a crash or 2434 01:39:44,450 --> 01:39:42,060 invited to go down and take a look at it 2435 01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:44,460 those those kind of things I'm kind of 2436 01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:46,800 given to those points where it to 2437 01:39:50,930 --> 01:39:49,050 investigate those and I realize we're 2438 01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:50,940 kind of going away from the question you 2439 01:39:57,500 --> 01:39:54,090 asked but I might be sticking a little 2440 01:39:59,240 --> 01:39:57,510 bit more towards either future events 2441 01:40:01,070 --> 01:39:59,250 things that are you know sightings that 2442 01:40:03,500 --> 01:40:01,080 are happening up excited for to hear 2443 01:40:05,480 --> 01:40:03,510 about but not so much you know going 2444 01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:05,490 back and try to debunk stuff I'm just 2445 01:40:12,190 --> 01:40:07,760 I'm kind of burnt out on that 2446 01:40:15,220 --> 01:40:12,200 understandably going back to 2447 01:40:18,530 --> 01:40:15,230 what your father described on the 2448 01:40:20,630 --> 01:40:18,540 hieroglyphics on the little beams how 2449 01:40:24,740 --> 01:40:20,640 did your grandfather remember seeing 2450 01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:24,750 those two yes oh yeah they the the the 2451 01:40:29,330 --> 01:40:26,610 story if you haven't heard before least 2452 01:40:31,310 --> 01:40:29,340 I can tell it you anyway they had the 2453 01:40:35,990 --> 01:40:31,320 debris spread across the the the kitchen 2454 01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:36,000 floor and at the other home and my 2455 01:40:40,090 --> 01:40:38,250 grandfather asked my father to see if 2456 01:40:42,530 --> 01:40:40,100 you could make any sense look for wires 2457 01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:42,540 cubes that kind of thing the technology 2458 01:40:47,780 --> 01:40:44,730 to the time and also look to see if any 2459 01:40:49,370 --> 01:40:47,790 species be fit together does it is like 2460 01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:49,380 a big puzzle at least pieces he only had 2461 01:40:53,780 --> 01:40:51,690 a small amount of debris or with him but 2462 01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:53,790 he just IDF can you fit us together and 2463 01:40:58,400 --> 01:40:56,130 and my father looked at it and hit 2464 01:41:00,020 --> 01:40:58,410 through he always said you know I could 2465 01:41:01,700 --> 01:41:00,030 I didn't see anything on there you know 2466 01:41:03,140 --> 01:41:01,710 no tubes no wires nothing like that at 2467 01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:03,150 all couldn't get anything to fit 2468 01:41:08,690 --> 01:41:07,050 together whatsoever the the foil stuff 2469 01:41:10,100 --> 01:41:08,700 was incredibly lightweight he said it 2470 01:41:12,290 --> 01:41:10,110 was kind things and he picked up one of 2471 01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:12,300 the beams and brought it in front it was 2472 01:41:17,480 --> 01:41:15,840 a little like basically a window we're 2473 01:41:18,830 --> 01:41:17,490 thought with a light outside and he's 2474 01:41:21,010 --> 01:41:18,840 looking at it and then he looked at as 2475 01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:21,020 an angle and all Sun at an angle those 2476 01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:25,890 figures appeared and and my grandfather 2477 01:41:30,050 --> 01:41:27,930 told him this is through my father with 2478 01:41:32,090 --> 01:41:30,060 my father crossed passed out of me was 2479 01:41:33,500 --> 01:41:32,100 it my grandpa told him he said you 2480 01:41:37,130 --> 01:41:33,510 probably the first human to look at this 2481 01:41:38,480 --> 01:41:37,140 language and so my father was actually 2482 01:41:41,060 --> 01:41:38,490 want to discover that or look at that 2483 01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:41,070 and it's gone all we've done all that 2484 01:41:47,870 --> 01:41:43,890 that's a great area of fascination my 2485 01:41:49,700 --> 01:41:47,880 sister Denise went online years and 2486 01:41:51,770 --> 01:41:49,710 years ago and found a person as a 2487 01:41:54,470 --> 01:41:51,780 collector of old tape old scotch tape 2488 01:41:56,270 --> 01:41:54,480 because the overriding story is there 2489 01:41:58,430 --> 01:41:56,280 mogul balloons they use Christmas tape 2490 01:42:00,800 --> 01:41:58,440 well she found taped it was produced 2491 01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:00,810 during that era of the Christmas tape 2492 01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:03,840 and it told that there was actually made 2493 01:42:09,170 --> 01:42:07,440 it but it was nothing even close so what 2494 01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:09,180 let's elaborate on that for the person 2495 01:42:13,610 --> 01:42:12,480 who hasn't heard it that they the was it 2496 01:42:15,050 --> 01:42:13,620 the government that were saying that 2497 01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:15,060 there was tape from the mogul balloons 2498 01:42:19,730 --> 01:42:16,890 yeah more Charles more yeah I said that 2499 01:42:22,250 --> 01:42:19,740 it was after wartime that some of the 2500 01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:22,260 resources were scarce so they used a 2501 01:42:25,130 --> 01:42:24,930 christmas tape none of that story where 2502 01:42:27,170 --> 01:42:25,140 they may 2503 01:42:29,060 --> 01:42:27,180 any sense but so we use Christmas State 2504 01:42:30,830 --> 01:42:29,070 create Christmas tape to hold together 2505 01:42:34,130 --> 01:42:30,840 the Robin targets which are basically 2506 01:42:36,830 --> 01:42:34,140 balls with sticks and tin foils all and 2507 01:42:39,140 --> 01:42:36,840 the aces we use Chris tape so with my 2508 01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:39,150 grandfather found in that field was that 2509 01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:40,530 it had been laying there for several 2510 01:42:44,900 --> 01:42:43,050 days and the scotch tape had melted onto 2511 01:42:46,910 --> 01:42:44,910 the bouts with sticks there was heads 2512 01:42:49,670 --> 01:42:46,920 Christmas symbols on it so he thought he 2513 01:42:51,140 --> 01:42:49,680 was seeing some mythical alien symbols 2514 01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:51,150 and in truth there just nothing more 2515 01:42:55,450 --> 01:42:53,610 than holly trees and in you know 2516 01:42:58,820 --> 01:42:55,460 ornamentation that kind of thing that 2517 01:43:01,250 --> 01:42:58,830 that's the more story on the whole thing 2518 01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:01,260 what's interesting is he and we've done 2519 01:43:04,850 --> 01:43:03,090 this to you go back and look through all 2520 01:43:06,530 --> 01:43:04,860 the pictures of all the raw intagra so 2521 01:43:08,660 --> 01:43:06,540 there's a lot of them out there during 2522 01:43:11,060 --> 01:43:08,670 the fact that the company that made them 2523 01:43:13,070 --> 01:43:11,070 it still exists you get all the holes 2524 01:43:14,990 --> 01:43:13,080 historical photos and you can look at 2525 01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:15,000 all every single one of their balloon 2526 01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:17,250 trains for the Rowan targets and not one 2527 01:43:20,780 --> 01:43:19,530 of them has bailed together with scotch 2528 01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:20,790 tape with symbols on them you can get 2529 01:43:24,830 --> 01:43:22,800 for the good detail not not even one of 2530 01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:24,840 them follows their story yeah yeah 2531 01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:28,050 another another lie now one of the 2532 01:43:32,270 --> 01:43:29,730 things that has always intrigued me 2533 01:43:33,980 --> 01:43:32,280 about this whole situation with your 2534 01:43:35,330 --> 01:43:33,990 with your grandfather more than your 2535 01:43:37,130 --> 01:43:35,340 father because your grandfather of them 2536 01:43:39,950 --> 01:43:37,140 and your father was what eight or nine 2537 01:43:44,030 --> 01:43:39,960 years old is I know I like 12 years old 2538 01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:44,040 actually 12 years old so it just seems 2539 01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:46,770 to me that if I brought in a whole bunch 2540 01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:49,410 of debris put it out on a table said I 2541 01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:53,210 think this is extraterrestrial I would 2542 01:43:57,250 --> 01:43:55,440 maybe it's just me but i would 2543 01:44:00,530 --> 01:43:57,260 definitely slide a piece or two 2544 01:44:05,060 --> 01:44:00,540 somewhere where it couldn't be found did 2545 01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:05,070 you ever talk about that there's my 2546 01:44:09,500 --> 01:44:07,290 father his story on it which is it 2547 01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:09,510 through my grandfather i rise just said 2548 01:44:14,420 --> 01:44:12,570 that but is that at the time it was just 2549 01:44:18,380 --> 01:44:14,430 after war time and you did do that kind 2550 01:44:20,330 --> 01:44:18,390 of thing yeah but just for speculation 2551 01:44:22,220 --> 01:44:20,340 purposes and it's I think it's Massoud 2552 01:44:24,050 --> 01:44:22,230 before is the blanches were good friends 2553 01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:24,060 my parents are my grandparents Cuse me 2554 01:44:29,450 --> 01:44:26,610 they played bridge on the weekends well 2555 01:44:30,620 --> 01:44:29,460 later on in that the near the end of 47 2556 01:44:32,510 --> 01:44:30,630 when things had really settled down 2557 01:44:34,850 --> 01:44:32,520 about Roswell no did they incident 2558 01:44:37,100 --> 01:44:34,860 anyway Blanchard actually came over to 2559 01:44:38,660 --> 01:44:37,110 the house with an i-beam 2560 01:44:41,390 --> 01:44:38,670 he and my grandmother looked at it yeah 2561 01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:41,400 and I her disturbs my father and where 2562 01:44:49,010 --> 01:44:46,320 they looked at it and part of the part 2563 01:44:50,859 --> 01:44:49,020 with our it's it's like black didn't we 2564 01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:50,869 don't think he took that home with them 2565 01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:53,520 and if that's the case then where the 2566 01:44:59,379 --> 01:44:56,880 heck is that you mean that it could be 2567 01:45:02,359 --> 01:44:59,389 maybe when they're doing in a state sale 2568 01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:02,369 ya know they're gonna find that box of 2569 01:45:05,660 --> 01:45:03,690 something and what the heck is this out 2570 01:45:08,090 --> 01:45:05,670 there but I you know and there's all 2571 01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:08,100 these stories too and this woman that 2572 01:45:12,350 --> 01:45:10,800 way after they eat oh my grandpa box 2573 01:45:14,090 --> 01:45:12,360 everything up and left you know they say 2574 01:45:15,500 --> 01:45:14,100 he came he was like 11 or 12 o'clock my 2575 01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:15,510 time I got to the house was in middle of 2576 01:45:18,229 --> 01:45:16,530 night when they're looking the materials 2577 01:45:20,930 --> 01:45:18,239 but he boxed it up and head to the base 2578 01:45:24,950 --> 01:45:20,940 and that next morning my grandmother or 2579 01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:24,960 her name is vo my grandmother uh swept 2580 01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:27,210 the pieces that didn't make back in the 2581 01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:30,210 box and out the back door and eventually 2582 01:45:34,340 --> 01:45:32,010 there was a concrete pad port back there 2583 01:45:37,100 --> 01:45:34,350 and there is there's there's been a 2584 01:45:38,959 --> 01:45:37,110 large you know speculation well 2585 01:45:40,790 --> 01:45:38,969 somebody's gonna break that thing up and 2586 01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:40,800 see what's underneath it honestly I 2587 01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:43,199 think that that's a very good idea to 2588 01:45:45,890 --> 01:45:44,850 talk to I'm not quite sure owns it now 2589 01:45:48,379 --> 01:45:45,900 is to say you know they're made or 2590 01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:48,389 something there if there is I mean that 2591 01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:50,639 that I said that's not that's the 2592 01:45:55,729 --> 01:45:52,770 story's been out there for decades but i 2593 01:45:58,370 --> 01:45:55,739 know from mike my grandmother's lips 2594 01:45:59,810 --> 01:45:58,380 that's what happened so there is there 2595 01:46:01,640 --> 01:45:59,820 said some of the fibers should be at the 2596 01:46:03,290 --> 01:46:01,650 shade might they should be there though 2597 01:46:07,370 --> 01:46:03,300 they look at this the question though is 2598 01:46:09,140 --> 01:46:07,380 that was that concrete pad that put down 2599 01:46:10,399 --> 01:46:09,150 before or after that happened and 2600 01:46:15,220 --> 01:46:10,409 they're not quite it up absolute 2601 01:46:17,300 --> 01:46:15,230 positive about that date right though 2602 01:46:21,350 --> 01:46:17,310 yeah someone mentioned that they heard 2603 01:46:23,209 --> 01:46:21,360 stories of soldiers taking pistols from 2604 01:46:27,530 --> 01:46:23,219 the enemies as souvenirs yes they did 2605 01:46:30,169 --> 01:46:27,540 very much so in World War two matter of 2606 01:46:33,229 --> 01:46:30,179 fact there was after they had 2607 01:46:36,140 --> 01:46:33,239 confiscated thousands and thousands of 2608 01:46:38,510 --> 01:46:36,150 samurai swords the UFO I mean the UFO 2609 01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:38,520 lab the American soldiers brought them 2610 01:46:43,700 --> 01:46:40,530 home with them you know lots and lots of 2611 01:46:47,300 --> 01:46:43,710 them after the war that actually had to 2612 01:46:48,740 --> 01:46:47,310 do with the the occupation of Japan and 2613 01:46:51,049 --> 01:46:48,750 rebuilding japan and i think it was 2614 01:46:56,399 --> 01:46:51,059 during that time but yes 2615 01:46:58,349 --> 01:46:56,409 what the person is getting at is they 2616 01:47:02,579 --> 01:46:58,359 still find it unusual that they didn't 2617 01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:02,589 keep anything you know i am but you know 2618 01:47:07,709 --> 01:47:05,489 i understand the time was different and 2619 01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:07,719 you know you really listen to the 2620 01:47:14,339 --> 01:47:11,530 government back then that's being that 2621 01:47:16,739 --> 01:47:14,349 my father my grandfather was also you 2622 01:47:18,719 --> 01:47:16,749 know the head of intelligence for the 50 2623 01:47:19,919 --> 01:47:18,729 night he was also you know the gate keep 2624 01:47:23,009 --> 01:47:19,929 running a lot of what happened in the 2625 01:47:24,119 --> 01:47:23,019 nuclear bombing program and so he was he 2626 01:47:26,459 --> 01:47:24,129 was one of those people would make sure 2627 01:47:29,189 --> 01:47:26,469 everybody kept their mouths shut so it 2628 01:47:31,619 --> 01:47:29,199 was it was you know in there I you know 2629 01:47:33,389 --> 01:47:31,629 it is my father always told it was like 2630 01:47:35,339 --> 01:47:33,399 you know again it just wasn't done back 2631 01:47:38,909 --> 01:47:35,349 there after the war you followed your 2632 01:47:40,919 --> 01:47:38,919 rules and I like from me it's like then 2633 01:47:42,509 --> 01:47:40,929 my grandfather really broke a few rules 2634 01:47:45,299 --> 01:47:42,519 by bringing home to show my grandfather 2635 01:47:48,119 --> 01:47:45,309 and my father excuse me and but you know 2636 01:47:49,649 --> 01:47:48,129 honestly but his explanation was that he 2637 01:47:52,109 --> 01:47:49,659 told my father anyway my father told me 2638 01:47:53,429 --> 01:47:52,119 about was that he knew that when he 2639 01:47:55,949 --> 01:47:53,439 returned to base it was going to be all 2640 01:47:58,319 --> 01:47:55,959 gone right he said this was going to be 2641 01:48:01,349 --> 01:47:58,329 swept up it's gone so he wanted that at 2642 01:48:04,139 --> 01:48:01,359 least have a chance to show up yeah yeah 2643 01:48:07,439 --> 01:48:04,149 it's amazing to think that the evidence 2644 01:48:09,419 --> 01:48:07,449 was right in hand at one time yeah well 2645 01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:09,429 if you if you know if we go back to an 2646 01:48:11,909 --> 01:48:10,570 early part of the conversation and 2647 01:48:13,739 --> 01:48:11,919 that's that was where you were talking 2648 01:48:15,779 --> 01:48:13,749 about was it to crap two craps that hit 2649 01:48:17,129 --> 01:48:15,789 each other was it one that impacted the 2650 01:48:18,869 --> 01:48:17,139 ground and ended up in a different place 2651 01:48:21,509 --> 01:48:18,879 and if you want to go back to the park 2652 01:48:23,489 --> 01:48:21,519 conversation but yeah I mean there was 2653 01:48:24,719 --> 01:48:23,499 talk at my ground and my father I think 2654 01:48:27,629 --> 01:48:24,729 even mentioned this book or my father 2655 01:48:29,279 --> 01:48:27,639 that there were even nuns they were 2656 01:48:32,939 --> 01:48:29,289 pointing out they were seeing a lot of 2657 01:48:35,849 --> 01:48:32,949 these unexplainable aerial anomalies 2658 01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:35,859 flying in and around Roswell many of 2659 01:48:38,669 --> 01:48:37,449 them blue glowing bulbs that kind of 2660 01:48:40,829 --> 01:48:38,679 thing they serve there was a lot of talk 2661 01:48:42,899 --> 01:48:40,839 before before that fateful night my 2662 01:48:44,549 --> 01:48:42,909 father even pointed out as a child he 2663 01:48:46,079 --> 01:48:44,559 one time he poked his head out the back 2664 01:48:48,149 --> 01:48:46,089 door the screen door and looked up and 2665 01:48:50,579 --> 01:48:48,159 saw I was blue light fly up fly over and 2666 01:48:52,259 --> 01:48:50,589 so there was a lot of activity 2667 01:48:54,329 --> 01:48:52,269 unexplained activity and explainable 2668 01:48:58,319 --> 01:48:54,339 activity excuse me in and around the 2669 01:49:00,149 --> 01:48:58,329 area so you know could they could could 2670 01:49:01,939 --> 01:49:00,159 have been two crashes I've heard it all 2671 01:49:04,069 --> 01:49:01,949 you know as far as its 2672 01:49:07,069 --> 01:49:04,079 in a speculum speculation could it have 2673 01:49:09,350 --> 01:49:07,079 been two craps hit I mean for it within 2674 01:49:11,899 --> 01:49:09,360 our side of our family we kind of looked 2675 01:49:13,489 --> 01:49:11,909 at it in the way that these beings 2676 01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:13,499 whatever they were the pile of this 2677 01:49:19,250 --> 01:49:16,800 thing would did not want to have a 2678 01:49:21,020 --> 01:49:19,260 chance of injuring us in any way so 2679 01:49:23,419 --> 01:49:21,030 crashing whatever they had out into an 2680 01:49:25,069 --> 01:49:23,429 empty field somewhere in a very desolate 2681 01:49:27,140 --> 01:49:25,079 area of the United States makes sense 2682 01:49:28,969 --> 01:49:27,150 and we always looked at it that way but 2683 01:49:30,169 --> 01:49:28,979 again you know and no but I don't think 2684 01:49:31,879 --> 01:49:30,179 anybody maybe maybe somebody doesn't 2685 01:49:34,729 --> 01:49:31,889 know but you know past that it's kind of 2686 01:49:36,620 --> 01:49:34,739 speculation that I mean to me it's 2687 01:49:40,580 --> 01:49:36,630 almost like this thing hit the ground 2688 01:49:43,459 --> 01:49:40,590 and and part of a like part of the 2689 01:49:45,410 --> 01:49:43,469 propeller propulsion components are what 2690 01:49:47,209 --> 01:49:45,420 my grandfather saw and the the the 2691 01:49:49,009 --> 01:49:47,219 forward compartment bounced off the 2692 01:49:50,419 --> 01:49:49,019 ground and it was moving you know fast 2693 01:49:53,140 --> 01:49:50,429 enough that it crashed you know miles 2694 01:49:56,029 --> 01:49:53,150 away that it was all she won one craft 2695 01:49:57,709 --> 01:49:56,039 well you know I'm sure you've heard this 2696 01:50:00,290 --> 01:49:57,719 one over and over again because you know 2697 01:50:04,100 --> 01:50:00,300 the skeptics will say oh yeah they fly 2698 01:50:07,790 --> 01:50:04,110 you know interstellar but crash here 2699 01:50:09,500 --> 01:50:07,800 yeah right you know well you know our 2700 01:50:11,330 --> 01:50:09,510 most advanced aircraft some of the most 2701 01:50:14,330 --> 01:50:11,340 specialized military aircraft we have 2702 01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:14,340 you know be on par so so far the best of 2703 01:50:18,799 --> 01:50:17,010 our civilian airplanes they crash yeah 2704 01:50:21,049 --> 01:50:18,809 they crush well I'm not all these I with 2705 01:50:23,390 --> 01:50:21,059 a crash I mean I'm not like I'm not 2706 01:50:25,330 --> 01:50:23,400 doubting you know I mean for instance a 2707 01:50:27,620 --> 01:50:25,340 lot of people speculated that radar 2708 01:50:29,569 --> 01:50:27,630 could possibly interfere with their 2709 01:50:31,969 --> 01:50:29,579 navigation or whatever you know I mean 2710 01:50:34,819 --> 01:50:31,979 they just might come across something 2711 01:50:37,339 --> 01:50:34,829 they just didn't expect well I always 2712 01:50:39,770 --> 01:50:37,349 put it that you know in my mind you know 2713 01:50:41,540 --> 01:50:39,780 thinking that you know okay so here we 2714 01:50:44,330 --> 01:50:41,550 have something that could traverse great 2715 01:50:46,399 --> 01:50:44,340 distances of course you think it'd be 2716 01:50:48,199 --> 01:50:46,409 it'd be a very incredibly to whatever it 2717 01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:48,209 be a strong vehicle everyone described 2718 01:50:52,580 --> 01:50:51,360 that but what if you know it's you know 2719 01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:52,590 kind of science fiction but if it 2720 01:50:57,049 --> 01:50:54,090 creates some kind of feel that protects 2721 01:50:59,419 --> 01:50:57,059 it and if that feels to disturb for some 2722 01:51:01,219 --> 01:50:59,429 reason then you know maybe the aircraft 2723 01:51:04,100 --> 01:51:01,229 itself isn't any stronger than our our 2724 01:51:06,109 --> 01:51:04,110 space vehicles or are our fastest yes 2725 01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:06,119 like I think maybe maybe they're not any 2726 01:51:09,859 --> 01:51:07,920 stronger than those things it's just for 2727 01:51:12,169 --> 01:51:09,869 whatever its protection mechanism was 2728 01:51:13,770 --> 01:51:12,179 down because of some reason and then it 2729 01:51:15,670 --> 01:51:13,780 you know crashed 2730 01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:15,680 now I'm going to ask you kind of a 2731 01:51:20,620 --> 01:51:17,690 unusual question was it has there ever 2732 01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:20,630 been a time in your life and perhaps a 2733 01:51:25,330 --> 01:51:22,010 time in your father's life that you 2734 01:51:33,850 --> 01:51:25,340 aware of that you regretted this whole 2735 01:51:36,610 --> 01:51:33,860 thing happened to your family know for 2736 01:51:41,110 --> 01:51:36,620 myself I can't say that I've ever 2737 01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:41,120 regretted it people usually when people 2738 01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:43,130 hear that you know our family has been 2739 01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:46,130 involved it usually approach with great 2740 01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:48,290 fascination and and then you know 2741 01:51:52,090 --> 01:51:50,090 explain to us what they've seen or their 2742 01:51:55,690 --> 01:51:52,100 family has seen before so it's never 2743 01:51:57,250 --> 01:51:55,700 really been negative my father I really 2744 01:51:59,010 --> 01:51:57,260 up to that point where they said my 2745 01:52:02,110 --> 01:51:59,020 grandfather was never in the military 2746 01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:02,120 that was a very defining moment for my 2747 01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:04,250 father and there could have been a point 2748 01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:05,810 where he was just wanted to throw his 2749 01:52:09,700 --> 01:52:07,250 hands up and say just forget all this 2750 01:52:12,790 --> 01:52:09,710 kind of thing he didn't of course but he 2751 01:52:15,250 --> 01:52:12,800 I'm he was you know very from a person 2752 01:52:17,410 --> 01:52:15,260 who didn't really get upset he was very 2753 01:52:19,270 --> 01:52:17,420 very shaken very very upset about a 2754 01:52:20,980 --> 01:52:19,280 thing I think that would be the only 2755 01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:20,990 time that they're trying to use you know 2756 01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:22,880 Roswell or they say that discredit is 2757 01:52:25,660 --> 01:52:24,170 never in the military that's the reason 2758 01:52:28,510 --> 01:52:25,670 Ra's will never happen etc or whatever 2759 01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:28,520 but just after your grandfather passed 2760 01:52:33,730 --> 01:52:30,770 away yes it was yeah that's even more 2761 01:52:36,010 --> 01:52:33,740 insult yeah it was so he's in a course 2762 01:52:38,140 --> 01:52:36,020 in a heated my my father was a up in the 2763 01:52:41,740 --> 01:52:38,150 military's I was like to brag a little 2764 01:52:44,410 --> 01:52:41,750 bit when he he was the oldest Colonel in 2765 01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:44,420 Iraq at 72 years old and they actually 2766 01:52:48,430 --> 01:52:46,610 offered him a brigadier to become 2767 01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:48,440 Brigadier General if it could if you 2768 01:52:51,220 --> 01:52:49,610 want to stay out there for another year 2769 01:52:54,730 --> 01:52:51,230 but he said he just wanted return to his 2770 01:52:56,380 --> 01:52:54,740 family but so here's a gentleman that 2771 01:52:57,490 --> 01:52:56,390 was very well respected they know and 2772 01:52:59,500 --> 01:52:57,500 that kind of thing in the military but 2773 01:53:01,420 --> 01:52:59,510 he had his moments just there weren't 2774 01:53:03,460 --> 01:53:01,430 very many of them though I mean he 2775 01:53:05,980 --> 01:53:03,470 looked at it as being a very positive 2776 01:53:09,820 --> 01:53:05,990 which we all did it and like I look at 2777 01:53:12,070 --> 01:53:09,830 Roswell in that it happened you know at 2778 01:53:13,930 --> 01:53:12,080 right airfield well you know that some 2779 01:53:16,300 --> 01:53:13,940 of her a lot of the abstracts in our 2780 01:53:18,490 --> 01:53:16,310 NASA program came out of right airfield 2781 01:53:19,660 --> 01:53:18,500 just afterwards they were there when 2782 01:53:21,970 --> 01:53:19,670 this when the material was brought there 2783 01:53:24,190 --> 01:53:21,980 there were medical facilities created 2784 01:53:25,939 --> 01:53:24,200 right after Roswell the debris was 2785 01:53:28,939 --> 01:53:25,949 karate I mean rate after 2786 01:53:32,089 --> 01:53:28,949 and I'm looking at as being a positive 2787 01:53:33,919 --> 01:53:32,099 event in that you know the some of these 2788 01:53:34,819 --> 01:53:33,929 people either heard about it had a 2789 01:53:36,890 --> 01:53:34,829 connection didn't have a connection 2790 01:53:38,299 --> 01:53:36,900 about it but it kind of inspired them 2791 01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:38,309 kind of like it inspired my father to 2792 01:53:42,770 --> 01:53:40,170 look more into the universe for life and 2793 01:53:46,219 --> 01:53:42,780 that might have dictated a path to NASA 2794 01:53:47,810 --> 01:53:46,229 a path to becoming an astronaut so try 2795 01:53:49,250 --> 01:53:47,820 to create a pretty positive because I 2796 01:53:51,410 --> 01:53:49,260 mean there there are naysayers out there 2797 01:53:53,180 --> 01:53:51,420 but you know it's almost like a lot of 2798 01:53:55,790 --> 01:53:53,190 them have their not just not nearly as 2799 01:53:57,589 --> 01:53:55,800 many as there used to be and you know I 2800 01:53:59,930 --> 01:53:57,599 guess I'm fortunate because nobody's 2801 01:54:01,850 --> 01:53:59,940 really you know the biggest thing that's 2802 01:54:03,140 --> 01:54:01,860 ever happened to me is a negative i 2803 01:54:05,270 --> 01:54:03,150 supposed to be something came up to me 2804 01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:05,280 and they were in my face about how Rosa 2805 01:54:10,279 --> 01:54:08,010 was the Nazi thing and then we were all 2806 01:54:12,770 --> 01:54:10,289 wrong but it's like that's good for your 2807 01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:12,780 is such you know good for you yeah I 2808 01:54:16,669 --> 01:54:14,130 know you can't change anyone's mind 2809 01:54:18,830 --> 01:54:16,679 really when they they come up to with 2810 01:54:21,620 --> 01:54:18,840 something like that we just have a 2811 01:54:24,169 --> 01:54:21,630 couple minutes left here and so I just 2812 01:54:26,419 --> 01:54:24,179 want to ask you one more thing did you 2813 01:54:29,989 --> 01:54:26,429 or do you happen to know dr. Edgar 2814 01:54:31,699 --> 01:54:29,999 Mitchell yes you do so and i was 2815 01:54:33,879 --> 01:54:31,709 actually picturing him as one person 2816 01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:33,889 that might be helping you with your car 2817 01:54:38,509 --> 01:54:36,090 you don't have to say yes or no because 2818 01:54:40,489 --> 01:54:38,519 he probably odd that nothing I don't 2819 01:54:42,739 --> 01:54:40,499 need be an interesting and gentlemen to 2820 01:54:43,939 --> 01:54:42,749 talk about night son I haven't my sister 2821 01:54:45,549 --> 01:54:43,949 says has quite a few Raider 2822 01:54:48,469 --> 01:54:45,559 conversations the gentleman I don't but 2823 01:54:50,689 --> 01:54:48,479 it may be who knows I you know how 2824 01:54:53,750 --> 01:54:50,699 things just have a habit of working out 2825 01:54:55,459 --> 01:54:53,760 and not that I'm leaving it up to the 2826 01:54:56,989 --> 01:54:55,469 stars but I think that things are just 2827 01:54:58,699 --> 01:54:56,999 going the right direction right now and 2828 01:55:02,299 --> 01:54:58,709 then the right people becoming it of the 2829 01:55:07,549 --> 01:55:02,309 project mm-hmm so for anyone that missed 2830 01:55:11,629 --> 01:55:07,559 the first hour that that is live he was 2831 01:55:14,899 --> 01:55:11,639 just mentioning now the airborne motors 2832 01:55:16,069 --> 01:55:14,909 and that's airborne motors com you can 2833 01:55:19,939 --> 01:55:16,079 go to that website and check out a 2834 01:55:22,580 --> 01:55:19,949 really really cool car and like you know 2835 01:55:24,169 --> 01:55:22,590 I did encourage if anybody wants to your 2836 01:55:25,759 --> 01:55:24,179 there's a cot there's a little you know 2837 01:55:27,649 --> 01:55:25,769 if you want to get hold me through the 2838 01:55:29,479 --> 01:55:27,659 contact button or through the newsletter 2839 01:55:30,529 --> 01:55:29,489 thing please do I'm happy to chat with 2840 01:55:34,040 --> 01:55:30,539 anybody about it they have an interest 2841 01:55:36,140 --> 01:55:34,050 in it yes and so how can someone reach 2842 01:55:38,239 --> 01:55:36,150 her right on that website right on that 2843 01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:38,249 website and if they'd like to there's 2844 01:55:41,220 --> 01:55:39,850 like so in the footer there's a little 2845 01:55:43,140 --> 01:55:41,230 tact button and there's also a 2846 01:55:44,490 --> 01:55:43,150 newsletter button so either way or 2847 01:55:46,290 --> 01:55:44,500 through Facebook or anything yeah 2848 01:55:47,340 --> 01:55:46,300 whatever you like but that's an S over 2849 01:55:48,690 --> 01:55:47,350 if you if you want to talk about the 2850 01:55:50,100 --> 01:55:48,700 project go ahead and just get hold me 2851 01:55:52,860 --> 01:55:50,110 through there yeah I'm kind of 2852 01:55:56,100 --> 01:55:52,870 fascinated by the electromagnetic aspect 2853 01:55:58,650 --> 01:55:56,110 of it not that we don't have any time we 2854 01:56:00,930 --> 01:55:58,660 only have you know 25 seconds left 2855 01:56:03,540 --> 01:56:00,940 before I could start closing but it 2856 01:56:05,130 --> 01:56:03,550 would be really nice to understand that 2857 01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:05,140 more I mean that sounded awful 2858 01:56:11,790 --> 01:56:09,250 fascinating so anyway thank you so much 2859 01:56:13,910 --> 01:56:11,800 you've been a wonderful guest same as 2860 01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:13,920 last time it's been a real pleasure 2861 01:56:18,810 --> 01:56:15,970 thank you for having me on I really had 2862 01:56:20,730 --> 01:56:18,820 a good time well that's it for now I 2863 01:56:22,530 --> 01:56:20,740 want to thank some people for helping 2864 01:56:26,040 --> 01:56:22,540 out with the show today our guests of 2865 01:56:28,020 --> 01:56:26,050 course Jesse Marcel the third I also 2866 01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:28,030 want to thank Alejandro Rojas for the 2867 01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:31,330 UFO news Kerry Lloyd White House for the 2868 01:56:35,670 --> 01:56:33,280 music Peggy shunning for managing our 2869 01:56:38,450 --> 01:56:35,680 Facebook page remember to Like us on 2870 01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:38,460 Facebook for all the latest UFO news 2871 01:56:43,890 --> 01:56:41,770 Robert Davis PhD will be talking to us 2872 01:56:46,410 --> 01:56:43,900 next week about his new book entitled 2873 01:56:49,620 --> 01:56:46,420 the UFO phenomena should I believe 2874 01:56:51,690 --> 01:56:49,630 that's with a question mark and also if 2875 01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:51,700 you're listening live I will be on again 2876 01:56:56,670 --> 01:56:54,730 with sky watchers in just one hour from 2877 01:56:58,680 --> 01:56:56,680 now you can check us out next week on 2878 01:57:00,270 --> 01:56:58,690 the Dark Matter radio network and every 2879 01:57:03,210 --> 01:57:00,280 wednesday at eight pm eastern standard